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• rpmca03
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 16, 2011 - 06:32 AM

  I have a site in phpnuke with phpbb forum I want to migrate this site to Zikula what steps I should be follow ?
  
  My site link is www.afghantime.com

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• rpmca03
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 09:37 PM

  Is there are any reference for migration work?

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• slam
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 10:00 PM

  PNphpBB2 includes a conversion option from phpBB2, documentation is at http://zafenio.com/docs/PNphpBB2_INSTALL.html#Before you convert
  
  For phpnuke I am not aware of an automated conversion path, you will need to import your content from there manually.
  
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• craigh
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 17, 2011 - 10:18 PM

  a long time ago, this was an intended upgrade path (phpnuke -> postnuke), but I don't believe that has been a priority for years. probably since Zikula 1.0 at least.

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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 01:55 AM

  rpmca03

  Is there are any reference for migration work?

  
  
  Before doing anything it would be best to setup a development area and get your existing phpnuke and phpbb site working from there, then begin the process.
  
  IMO your attempts will be futile and only be causing you grief and a LOT of wasted time. In the end you will either just keep the configuration you already have, until it dies, or dump the whole thing and start from scratch.
  
  There is no conversion path to do what you are looking to do. Make absolutely sure that Zikula and its accompanying modules can do what you want. I think you'll find that Zikula has a great core but lacking in modules and support. There are only a handful of modules available for Zikula and this makes it difficult for the end user as these module developers either leave or just lose interest in developing them any further.
  
  Don't be under the illusion that converting your phpbb data to PNphpBB2 is simple, because it is not. Even if you do finally get your phpbb data converted to PNphpBB2 you are stuck using Zukula 1.2.x because there is no upgrade path for PNphpBB2 to go any further then Zikula 1.2.x. The ONLY forum option for Zikula 1.3.x will be Dizkus and your phpbb data, or phpbb converted to PNphpBB2 data, can NOT be migrated.
  
  Don't be under the illusion that something called Zafenio is anything more the PNphpBB2 with a name change. For anyone running PNphpBB2 and wants to update to future versions of Zikula, the ONLY option will be to dump your PNphpBB2 data and start over from scratch, using Dizkus.
  
  You are at the point where you have a LOT of options, and there are a LOT of options out there.
  
  Can you tell me why you have chosen, or thinking about using Zikula?
  
  
  
  Edited by mesteele101 on Mar 18, 2011 - 09:01 AM.

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• craigh
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 03:54 AM

  yikes. This is a Zikula support forum. not a Zikula bashing forum. I already said you can't get there from here. do you need to trash the developers that ARE here and the project in general? Comments like this don't engender developer's good feelings about sticking around. yikes. Show a little love

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• slam
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 05:18 AM

  mesteele101

  ... Don't be under the illusion that converting your phpbb data to PNphpBB2 is simple, because it is not. Even if you do finally get your phpbb data converted to PNphpBB2 you are stuck using Zukula 1.2.x because there is no upgrade path for PNphpBB2 to go any further then Zikula 1.2.x. The ONLY forum option for Zikula 1.3.x will be Dizkus and your phpbb data, or phpbb converted to PNphpBB2 data, can NOT be migrated.
  
  Don't be under the illusion that something called Zafenio is anything more the PNphpBB2 with a name change. For anyone running PNphpBB2 and wants to update to future versions of Zikula, the ONLY option will be to dump your PNphpBB2 data and start over from scratch, using Dizkus.

  
  I am not going to comment the bashing part any more, that's just boring and mesteele101 is well known for what he did again.
  
  Just the facts, to make the FUD obvious:
  
  1) Following the manual I linked is not trivial, but easy, and does converts well.
  
  2) Everyone is stuck with Zikula 1.2.x, as this is the stable version. This is true for all 3rd-party modules.
  
  3) Zafenio is not just a re-name, but a complete re-write in development, making use of all possibilites Zikula 1.3.x will offer. User mesteele101 has no access to it, as the development is non-public until Zikula 1.3.x will go stable.
  
  4) Dizkus always did provide imports from PNphpBB2, and most likely will do in the future. Dizkus is a fine forum module, but with different goals and features.
  
  5) After 1.3.x will go stable, Zafenio and other modules will adapt - not before.
  
  6) Of course there will be a clean upgrade path. PNphpBB2 (now Zafenio) has a proofen history of providing clean upgrades since the very roots of Postnuke - so, we talk about almost 9 years. Most other 3rd party modules (and specially the bigger ones) still have to show if they are similar reliable over years.
  
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  Edited by slam on Mar 18, 2011 - 06:21 PM.
  
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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 05:30 AM

  I thought I did show a little love...
  

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  I think you'll find that Zikula has a great core but lacking in modules and support.

  
  Take at look at the reply from Slam above. Is this the way Zikula wants to be get users. Slam failed to tell this poor guy that all this work he is going to be putting into this conversion was going to be useless if he updates past 1.2.x...
  
  I've been here a LONG time and IMHO the developer support and community support was far greater during the Postnuke days. Zikula has moved more towards developers helping developers. Zikula is just not for the average user, like Postnuke was. It's just to difficult and limited in user support and modules for the average user that just wants to get it done.
  
  I don't know what the answer is, but the question might be; what makes all the major CMS's out there have such a huge support base.

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 07:33 AM

  Please meesteele take your irrelevant comments elsewhere. What is your deal???
  
  There is much development in modules for zk1.3 and this will grow in the coming months/year. There are topics on this forum from people migrating from Postnuke to Zikula 1.2.x with success. Every BIG upgrade is a lot of work for EVERY cms/framework.
  There are even people already using Zikula 1.3 in (live) websites with success.
  
  
  
  Edited by espaan on Mar 18, 2011 - 08:33 PM.
  
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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 09:22 AM

  This is one of the problems with Zikula. You are a developer and not an end user, so my comments are irrelevant, true but irrelevant. When the non-core modules were dropped from the core that is when the non-core modules, and support outlets started deteriorating. I've been here as long as you, so you should know this as well as I.
  
  The support has just not been the same after the EOL of Postnuke. There were a lot of sites out there supporting Postnuke with modules and end user support. This just is not the case anymore. Has things progressed, well you tell me.
  
  The average user would NEVER be able to take an existing Postnuke site and migrate it to Zikula. It's not a trivial pursuit. Is it possible; well, I can take a Chevrolet undercarriage and put it under a Ford, that's possible, and done. But can every person do this. Knowing what I know now, I would never migrate a Postnuke site to Zikula. It would be far easier to start all over from scratch. The time and money spent to make the Zikula site look like the old Postnuke site would just not be worth it (IMO).
  
  I can use Zikula 1.3 on a live website, but can I migrate my non-core modules, or my theme over. The answer is; No. Will I be ever be able to; No. From what I can see, the only thing that will follow me from Zikula 1.2.x to Zikula 1.3 is my user base. Am I saying it's a bad thing; No. I understand that Zikula needs to progress.
  
  As an end user with no programming capabilities, will I be migrating to Zikula 1.3; No. There is no incentive for me to go any further. I don't feel like rebuilding my site from scratch and paying out hundreds of dollars to update my custom theme.
  
  Zikula 1.3 has basically taken Zikula back to ground zero, as far as custom modules and custom themes go. I understand that some modules have been in development for months pending release of 1.3, and it will take time.
  
  Hopefully, the Zikula team will install new forums for 1.3 as I'm sure there will be a LOT of end users that will continue to run 1.2.x until it dies.

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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 09:57 AM

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  Just the facts, to make the FUD obvious:
  1) Following the manual I linked is not trivial, but easy, and does converts well.

  
  Huh... I remember a long time ago when I was a Commodore user. I contributed to a project that I was interested in and after 4 months of not seeing anything the guy sent me a the documentation that he said he was working on. It all looked go and described everything that I expected. Well, after another 60 days he was still not allowing access to the actual program. I was supposed to get a pre-release but it never came, and I just gave up.
  

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  2) Everyone is stuck with Zikula 1.2.x, as this is the stable version. This is true for all 3rd-party modules.

  
  This is nothing new.
  
  

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  3) Zafenio is not just a re-name, but a complete re-write in development, making use of all possibilites Zikula 1.3.x will offer. User mesteele101 has no access to it, as the development is non-public until Zikula 1.3.x will go stable.

  
  You took PNphpBB2 and labeled it Zafenio. It's PNphpBB2 there is not one line of code in there related to Zafenio or phpbb3, which is what you were advertising Zafenio would be built on. It looks like your trying to deceive people into thinking that PNphpBB2 has something to do with Zafenio. It looks like all you did was put lipstick on it and are passing it off as something it is not.
  
  You are the only developer associated with Zikula that does covert module programming, that I know of. Where is the transparency. The only reason to not be transparent is to hide facts. You've been consistently stating something is coming, and that has been for at least 3 years or longer. It's been so long that pnpBB3 is now at 3.0.8, and that's eight revisions later of pphpBB.
  
  

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  4) Dizkus always did provide imports from PNphpBB2, and most likely will do in the future. Dizkus is a fine forum module, but with different goals and features.

  
  No, Dizkus does NOT natively import PNphpBB2 data. There is a script floating around that attempts to make the conversion but is only maybe 60-70% accurate, and in no way should be used. Unless of course you can point us all to a converter that works 100% (PNphpBB2 -> Dizkus).
  

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  5) After 1.3.x will go stable, Zafenio and other modules will adapt - not before.

  
  This is nothing new. I think you stated something to this effect before Zikula 1.0 was released.
  

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  6) Of course there will be a clean upgrade path. PNphpBB2 (now Zafenio) has a proofen history of providing clean upgrades since the very roots of Postnuke - so, we talk about almost 9 years. Most other 3rd party modules (and specially the bigger ones) still have to show if they are similar reliable over years.

  
  You've been putting this information out there since Zikula was released, so it's all the same information.

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 11:36 AM

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  You are the only developer associated with Zikula that does covert module programming, that I know of.

  
  
  A lot of us do initial work behind closed doors, until the situation is such that a larger group of people can work with it. I got grief over suggesting someone do an SVN pull of Banners 2.2 that took care of an issue, and because of that I decided not to even do it openly anymore, and have since just abandoned it, because Banners is ready for 1.3 with the fixes and new features, and I'd rather spend my time focusing on enhancing what Craig has done with Banners. And nothing I'm doing will be openly visible until it's done.
  
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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 11:55 AM

  mesteele101

  This is one of the problems with Zikula. You are a developer and not an end user

  
  
  I most certainly are an end user as well. Sure I'm a developer, but where is the law that says that you cannot be an end user as well. Have you every looked at github and the development that is going on there ? Quite a number of modules are being actively developer for zk1.3 even while it is not ready. So when zk1.3 is out these modules are also ready to be released.
  
  I have done conversion of postnuke to zikula and when zk1.3 is out I will convert to zk1.3 again. Most things do not require updating. When you have recent modules and a recent theme (yes website development is also about keeping things up to date and spending time !) then this will work in zk1.3.
  
  That was my final word on Zk 1.3 and module development in this topic..
  
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  So On Topic, rpmca03 depending on what you have running in phpnuke it might be possible to convert your site. But it will require knowledge and time. I have never used phpnuke myself, so I cannot judge the complexity of that task. But all is possible if you are willing to spend time and ask around.
  
  
  
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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 01:18 PM

  espaan

  So On Topic, rpmca03 depending on what you have running in phpnuke it might be possible to convert your site. But it will require knowledge and time. I have never used phpnuke myself, so I cannot judge the complexity of that task. But all is possible if you are willing to spend time and ask around.

  
  
  I guess anything is possible if you have enough time and money...

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  Posted: Mar 18, 2011 - 09:05 PM

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  The average user would NEVER be able to take an existing Postnuke site and migrate it to Zikula.

  I am an average user with very few coding skills and have just upgraded my first Postnuke site to the the latest stable version of Zikula with relative ease.
  
  
  
  Edited by DavidJ on Mar 18, 2011 - 09:06 PM.
  
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