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• manarak
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 05:40 AM

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  most of them do not feel that our philosophy for Zafenio (bridging and fitting 2 nice, big and successful open source projects) is theirs.

  
  
  Indeed, why integrate an already famous & successful full-featured product with a huge userbase, dozens of developers, hundreds of extensions and thousands of themes when you got the opportunity to start your own from almost zero?
  
  BTW, how can I attach files here?

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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 10:54 AM

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  BTW, how can I attach files here?

  
  
  That's a rhetorical question, right?
  
  BTW; Mine is :)

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 11:02 AM

  manarak

  BTW, how can I attach files here?

  
  You can't, and it'd by choice, not lack of ability to do so.
  
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• mesteele101
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 11:53 AM

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  manarak

  BTW, how can I attach files here?

  
  You can't, and it'd by choice, not lack of ability to do so.

  
  
  I think it's best to say that Dizkus is a basic forum with message posting and replying capabilities only. If you want anything extra then you will need to go to a third party programmer for those additional hooks.
  
  The problem is keeping the third party programmers in sync with the core project. It's a scary thought.

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 12:23 PM

  Dizkus has it's uses, though I HATE it's name. PNphpBB2 has it's uses, though I wish 3 were out. (2 still works)
  
  Let's not confuse the two.
  
  One is a very trimmed down post/reply board, the other is almost a total forum package.
  
  One is stripped of most forum features, the other has nearly everything.
  
  It's not fair to even compare them really, they are worlds apart and serve two totally different groups of people.

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• manarak
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 01:14 PM

  Hmm.
  I am sure it is possible to disable phpBB3 functions in order to make it look more simple.
  But it is not possible to ramp up Dizkus to fill phpBB's footprint.
  So... a choice has been made in full knowledge. Why haven't the features been chosen?
  
  BTW, this is how Dizkus is presented on its homepage:
  

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  Dizkus, formerly pnForum, is a fully integrated forum module for the Zikula/Postnuke.
  It uses smarty-based pnRendertemplates, the PostNuke-API and permission system.

  
  
  so... the advantages are:
  - fully integrated
  - smarty/pnrender templates
  - postnuke API
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  then an "analysis is prominently displayed on the home page:
  - Mostly written in JavaScript
  - Mature, well-established codebase
  - Increasing year-over-year development activity
  - Few source code comments
  
  Do you notice something?
  Yes, there is no mention of anything that could appeal to the end-user
  (also I don't see the appeal of "few code comments"? that's rather a bad thing, javascript is already difficult enough in itself).
  
  The above text was taken from the project site http://www.ohloh.net/p/dizkus, because Dizkus doesn't even have a sales site.
  Then there's http://code.zikula.org/dizkus, but there's even fewer information.
  Not a single list of Dizkus' capabilities.
  
  It is as if there was no interest in growing the userbase and getting more users.
  
  Here is what phpBB3 can do:
  http://www.phpbb.com/about/features/
  
  "He who can do more can do less" (french proverb)
  
  
  I don't want to belittle the technical achievement of coding Dizkus, which is a nice product for a different purpose than running a community on it.
  But I do question the philosophy behind the choices being made.
  
  
  
  edited by: manarak, datetimebrief

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• Tralfeyn
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 01:25 PM

  manarak, I'm seriously beginning to get the impression that you're arguing only for arguing's sake. "Fully integrated" does not mean "full featured," which I'm hoping you understand. Dizkus doesn't have a "sales site" because Dizkus is free. I'm not sure why you had to go to a separate website when it's always been listed in the Extensions here: http://community.zikula.org/module-Extensions-display-ot-component-componentid-218.htm and gives a tad bit more in the feature list than the three simple ones you listed.
  
  The simple fact of the matter is that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and, no matter what you do, an apple will never be an orange.

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 01:39 PM

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  The simple fact of the matter is that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and, no matter what you do, an apple will never be an orange.

  
  
  Exactly.

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• TakeIT2
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 02:18 PM

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  manarak, I'm seriously beginning to get the impression that you're arguing only for arguing's sake.

  
  usually this behavior bespeaks of needs unexpressed and usually the need/hunger pits the love of the apple vs the love of the orange.
  
  If I had to guess, which is the worst thing to do in this type of circumstance probably, but I am going to do it any way, I would say -

  TakeIT2

  In my garden I have only room for one more tree and it must be a fruit tree, and the time to plant is soon because the fruit is yet to grow from a flower on a tree not yet planted. And I love the Orange blossom and the apple blossom too, and their fruit, I must choose between my love of both.
  
  Oh Hell I never Liked the Patio...
  

  
  
  
  
  
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• Tralfeyn
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 02:59 PM

  

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• manarak
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 30, 2010 - 10:55 PM

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  Dizkus doesn't have a "sales site" because Dizkus is free.

  
  you mean like phpBB3, Joomla, Zencart, etc.?
  
  

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  I'm not sure why you had to go to a separate website

  
  I did a search a search on Google for "Dizkus" and went to the first hits.
  
  

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  The simple fact of the matter is that you're trying to compare apples to oranges and, no matter what you do, an apple will never be an orange.

  
  
  No, I am questioning the fact that a tree with the ability to only grow oranges was chosen over one that can grow both oranges and apples at the same time (plus any other kind of fruit, really).
  This choice is especially the more surprising as there was only space for one tree!
  So why not chose the tree giving the largest choice of fruits???
  
  I hope you both see the flaw in your logic and analogies.
  
  
  
  edited by: manarak, datetimebrief

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