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  • I know this has been discussed to death, but there are some issues that I have not seen anyone discuss. So I thought I'd make a list of questions regarding Pagemaster (PM) that are directly influenced by my reasons to stay with Pagesetter (PS). I would absolutely love to use Pagemaster instead if I knew it could do everything Pagesetter already does.

    1. Can you use PM to create a Contact Us feature? Currently I use PS/pgForm for this. The visitor can fill out a pgForm and the information is stored in the PS database. I or any other admin can login to the site and view the list of recent contacts. Not only does this allow me to have a record of every contact, but it means that any other admin (or user with appropriate permissions) can view the contacts and respond -- it's not limited to one person receiving the email notification. Further, I can use PS's waiting block to alert an admin of new contacts received.

    2. Can you relate publications to each other in PM?

    3. Can you use PM to allow moderators to create and edit publications themselves without having access to the Zikula admin area? With PS, I can setup permissions so that certain people, such as moderators (with permissions higher than users but lower than admins) can completely manage their own website without ever having to visit the Zikula admin area. I can create a series of PS publication types that allows this to work flawlessly in conjunction with pgForm (in order to make the forms nice looking and easy to use, plus validation functionality).

    4. Can you use PM to create a user-manageable image or media gallery? Similar to #3 above, I can use a few PS pubtypes to create an image gallery that is manageable by non-admin users. This includes uploading, editing, deleting, etc.

    5. Can you place the forms of other PM pubtypes inside another PM publication? With PS/pgForm, I can have a particular PS publication show a form from a different pubtype. So, I could have pubtype A where I create a contact publication with all of my contact information, then below that include the form of pubtype B (via pgForm).

    6. With PM, can you call a custom template in the URL? In PS and pgForm, you can add "&tpl=templatename" to the URL, which will use the custom template you specify instead of the standard template. Why is this important? Well, you could have certain publications use that custom template when they needed to, such as for alternate formatting suitable for printing or saving to PDF. You could also use that to display a special popup from within a publication.

    7. Can you export schemas in PM to be used on other sites? That is one of the most awesome features of PS -- I can create a pubtype and export all the information for import on another site.

    8. Can you create custom workflows in PM?

    9. Can you integrate any of the popular calendar modules with PM?

    10. Is there an archiving feature in PM (like the pgArchive module for PS)?

    11. Can you import PS data into PM cleanly and completely?

    Whew! Well, that's all I have for now. I may think of more later. If anyone can contribute with more questions and hopefully some answers, that would be great. I'm not trying to diss Pagemaster here, I just need to make sure it is as powerful as Pagesetter before I make the leap. Currently, I don't see it being there yet and I do test new versions once in awhile.

    I do understand that some of the questions may already have answers (like relations being in the works and data import is currently being worked on) but I am attempting to compile a complete list. I would love to get away from Guppy and other outdated stuff in Pagesetter, so those are my main motivations for watching Pagemaster's development.

    Thank you to everyone involved in all three projects! icon_biggrin
  • 1. yes
    2. yes but not n:n only 1:n
    3. yes
    4. yes
    5. no
    6. yes
    7. no (phpMyAdmin)
    8. yes
    9. no
    10. yes (depot)
    11. not working yet

    sorry for the short answers, but your questions leads me to an idea, it would make sense to create a feature compare matrix ps - PM. would also be a tool to bring PM forward to 100% ps feature complete. and it would also show the features which PM has but ps not.
  • As for me, I can't even consider pagemaster until it can do full relations.
  • spax

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    11. Can you import PS data into PM cleanly and completely?

    11. not working yet

    Could you comment on the patch I submitted to the cozi? I already referred to it before, here in these forums. If you keep saying it is not working, then what am I helping / submitting for?

    I have made an import of the data. Only issues:
    - Every step has to be clicked once, as there is no full check available if a step has done before
    - templates have to be converted from pagesetter-format to new pagemaster format.

    It would be nice to have some documentation about this template-conversion.

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  • Thanks for your patch! But I think it will not work anymore, because field type is stored wrong. in importapi there is still the name of the file, instead of the class name.
    from pagemaster version xxx -> xxx+1 was an update procedure for that.
  • bronto

    As for me, I can't even consider pagemaster until it can do full relations.

    When can we expect full relations to be implemented?
  • thilowitt

    bronto

    As for me, I can't even consider pagemaster until it can do full relations.

    When can we expect full relations to be implemented?

    I'm waiting since so much time for this feature...
  • I've been told the original author is extremely busy and has shifted focus since he no longer needs it for his project.
    So I guess not soon...

    - Igor
  • There was a hack to use relation n:n there : http://community.zikula.org/module-Extensions-display-ot-component-componentid-137.htm
    but I don't success to download it.

    If somebody can send it to me please ?

    Thanks
  • Starguezer

    If somebody can send it to me please ?

    function.getmanytomanypubs.php
  • wooow thank you so much !

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