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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: May 17, 2008 - 02:35 AM

  Hi all,
  
  For a client I need and integrated document management system. The system needs
  
  * to allow sharing of documents between groups of users
  * email notification on new documents (or updates)
  * simple revision control
  * checkin / checkout (locking) functionality
  * categorisation
  * full-text searching
  
  As far as I know there are a few modules available that can do part of what is required. MediaAttach, pnRelay, Pagesetter, ...? I'm wondering if I should start a module from scratch or rather build on top of an existing module. Any thoughts?
  
  Thanks!

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: May 17, 2008 - 05:55 AM

  There is also Owl intranet and pnOwl. Owl is great with a lot of options and all your specs, but pnowl not uptodate.
  
  I hope Mateo can expand pnRelay with revisions and even checking/checkout.
  
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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: May 17, 2008 - 09:55 AM

  Thanks espaan. More or less forgot about OWL. If I remember correctly pnOwl only integrated user tables from Owl and Postnuke and I don't think it supports full-text searching. Does anyone know? It's feature rich, but I think I'm looking for something more integrated.

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: May 18, 2008 - 08:22 AM

  Yup integration is far from great. I use Owl at my site without integration and have added some functions in modules that use fileaccess directly. I thought Owl does support full text search. Features say so:
  

  Owl features

  Search within txt, ms-word and pdf files.

  
  
  So yeah, difficult. Better integration would be very much appreciated.
  
  
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• kaffeeringe.de
  
  

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  Posted: May 18, 2008 - 11:42 PM

  pnRelay from the NOC.
  
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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: May 19, 2008 - 01:52 AM

  I dont think pnRelay from the NOC supports all of the following:
  

  dits

  
  * to allow sharing of documents between groups of users
  * email notification on new documents (or updates)
  * simple revision control
  * checkin / checkout (locking) functionality
  * categorisation
  * full-text searching
  

  
  revision, checkin/out and full text search is not there AFAIK.
  
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• nestormateo
  
  

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  Posted: May 19, 2008 - 12:11 PM

  True
  Relay doesn't support that features,
  it's just a fancy Directory Manager with some basic features,
  and a Security System cloned from the PostNuke one.
  
  I guess i'll play with Community Stuff now,
  then Relay will be in stand by for me...
  
  I hope to implement the User's Quota and release 1.0
  but when have some time.
  
  Anyways, the latest available release was published here:
  Relay pre-release for 0.8 only
  
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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: May 19, 2008 - 08:13 PM

  Thanks all for your feedback. Much appreciated!
  
  I'm realising more and more that it's perhaps best to write a new module for this. I hope my client will be willing to finance some of my time. Will keep you posted here.

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: May 19, 2008 - 09:04 PM

  Maybe team up with Mateo's pnRelay and add revision control, checkin/out features there. That would be really great
  Full text search mostly depends on the tools needed to scan the relevant docs
  pdf - pdftotext
  MSWord - antiword
  RTF - UnRTF or rtf2text variants
  Any other ?
  
  
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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: May 19, 2008 - 09:35 PM

  espaan

  Maybe team up with Mateo's pnRelay and add revision control, checkin/out features there. That would be really great

  
  
  Something I thought about as well. Although the purposes of both are a bit different. Perhaps I should rather try and get something relatively simple working first... . Not sure yet. Let me see what my clients wants, then I'll contact Mateo.
  
  

  espaan

  Full text search mostly depends on the tools needed to scan the relevant docs
  pdf - pdftotext
  MSWord - antiword
  RTF - UnRTF or rtf2text variants
  Any other ?
  

  
  
  xls2txt, I've implemented (hacked) them into Pagesetter for another project.

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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 10, 2008 - 08:43 PM

  My client is going to finance part of my time . After giving it some more thought I think I must make this a separate module. I'll borrow some of Mateo's fancy Ajax and he might want to use some of the revision control stuff I intend to write.
  
  Perhaps I should do the email alerting in a simple separate hook module that can alert on any type of new or updated content. Nothing like that available, is there?
  
  Started playing with Modulestudio to set up the basic structure. Awesome!!

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 10, 2008 - 08:49 PM

  It will be a paid module then afterwards or private to the customer?
  I would be interested in a doc management module with all the options you mentioned As a replacement for the Owl intranet I'm using in pn764 now.
  
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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 10, 2008 - 08:54 PM

  espaan

  It will be a paid module then afterwards or private to the customer?

  
  No, not private to the customer, GPL. Once started, which will not be before the second half of July, I'll try and add it to TRAC as a project.

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 10, 2008 - 10:50 PM

  I am also interested in this module.
  
  Thanks for working on it and if I can help in any way, let me know.

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  Posted: Jun 10, 2008 - 11:07 PM

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  Once started, which will not be before the second half of July, I'll try and add it to TRAC as a project.

  
  
  By this stage, you may want to have a look at the revisions control GSoC project.
  
  
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