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• dks
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 02, 2008 - 10:10 AM

  Is there a place that explains the finances of the Postnuke Foundation?
  Things like current balance, expenses, and such?

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• drak
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 02, 2008 - 10:56 PM

  We have not published any data yet, but it is our intention to do so in due course, probably some time after the launch of $NewName.
  
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• dks
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 03, 2008 - 09:53 AM

  Cool.
  I believe this is a very important.
  Are you able to say at this point if there are revenue streams other than donations?

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• mbuna
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 05, 2008 - 03:34 AM

  Drak,
  
  Any timeline on $NewName?
  
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• larsneo
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 05, 2008 - 04:15 AM

  see http://community.postnuke.com/Article2896.htm
  
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• dks
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 11, 2008 - 06:12 AM

  dks

  Is there a place that explains the finances of the Postnuke Foundation?
  Things like current balance, expenses, and such?

  
  
  
  

  drak

  We have not published any data yet, but it is our intention to do so in due course, probably some time after the launch of $NewName.
  
  Drak

  
  
  How about now?

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 09, 2009 - 11:43 AM

  Any word on this?
  
  I think it's important and would like the ZSF to examine posting information about expenses, etc.
  
  It has been a while since this request was made.

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 10, 2009 - 01:39 PM

  Still looking forward to a response from the ZSF. I don't want this request to slip away so I'll keep it in the latest post results until we get an official response. I think that's reasonable.

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• formerly_known_as_sunhawk
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 10, 2009 - 10:59 PM

  Looking forward too!!

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• formerly_known_as_sunhawk
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 19, 2009 - 04:47 PM

  Still waiting!

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• jaenosjelantru
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 24, 2009 - 11:50 AM

  Camp Zikula is over and I was told there was discussion about this topic there and there would be an announcement made. Has any progress been made?

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• drak
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 25, 2009 - 07:18 PM

  I was apparently in error when I made that statement early way back. The Foundation does not publish it's financial data because there is no interface between the community and the Foundation so therefore there is no way for the community discuss it. The Zikula Steering Committee is mandated by the Foundation and they are the only body who can make budgetary requests.
  
  The Foundation was created to look after the financial and legal interests of the project and to ensure there are proper management structures: this is the mandate and this is what has been achieved. The foundation was never meant to be a public facing entity but to ensure the longevity of the project beyond individual contributors.
  
  The Foundation, while it may not be very active at all, has at the very least achieved it's basic goals, those being to have established legal protections, provide infrastructure and installed a management structure to run the project. I believe the track record of the Foundation over the years reflects this quote clearly.
  
  I hope this clarifies the matter.
  
  I would I would additionally like to request you all to appreciate that as we the Board, along with all the other volunteers of the project are unpaid, and that we must channel our available time in the most efficient way according to what we can give. Unlike normal volunteers, those in responsible positions cannot take a break since we have an obligation to keep the project running. This is something I feel is greatly under appreciated in the community and I would ask you all to respect the difficulties many of us endure to bring continuity to the project behind the scenes.
  
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• formerly_known_as_sunhawk
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 12:52 AM

  How do you expect that we will donate to the project when you won't tell us how the financial status of the project is?
  
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  edited by: formerly_known_as_sunhawk, Aug 26, 2009 - 01:57 PM

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 02:01 AM

  formerly_known_as_sunhawk

  How do you expect that we will donate to the project when you won't tell us how the financial status of the project is?

  
  Sounds to me like they don't need funds, so just donate to the developers/volunteers that you feel deserve it.
  
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• larsneo
  
  

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  Posted: Aug 26, 2009 - 05:32 AM

  i'd like to add a few thoughts from my experience with the german foundation but first of all: please keep in mind that i'm not a native english speaker so simply ask back if something doesn't seem to make sense at all
  
  the history (especially in germany) has shown that an opensource project needs a legal entity in the background to make sure that the project is not related (and depending) to a single person and can simply go on living on its own. compared to other oss-projects zikula is not related (or depending) on any commercial interests by companies, although almost all of board members work in some way *with* zikula in the everyday-life it's not the main income for anyone of us.
  
  in germany we have a slightly different way in the organization of the foundation - our goal is not only to look after the financial and legal interests of the project and to ensure there are proper management structures (that's indeed reserved for the international foundation); our basic goals besides running the german support sites and servers is support for the overall zikula-related oss-community in different ways - so besides e.g. sponsoring (scribite received it initial sponsoring by the german foundation) the european developer camp is one of our main projects and a german 'webmaster' camp will be one of the next things on the agenda. although we have an open membership for a really small annual fee (right now 18 eur/year) we are free for all and our main income is via textlink marketing and adsense stuff so we can afford more than we ever expected in the beginning.
  
  as drak already mentioned the zsf serves right now a different purpose: it's not meant to be a public facing entity but to ensure the longevity of the project beyond individual contributors - and with the introduction of the 'zikula' project (including the complete trademark and legal stuff) it has done it's main job already once zikula was born. right now we are really happy that we are independ from any commercial interests - so if you want to contribute: simply donate time into the project, its working groups or sponsor individual developers. the inital expenses especially for all the legal stuff was done with the income by pixels and adsense from the past and right now we are quite neutral in the overall end result - and that's perfectly ok for the project.
  
  i hope these thoughts drop some light on the issue but feel free to ask back if anything is not clear.
  
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