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  Posted: Mar 11, 2008 - 05:07 PM

  Every change i make to the main menu block gets reverted as soon as i click the green check mark to accept them. I have tried all of the "core" themes, and have the issue no matter which one i use. Its a base install of PN0.8RC3 with a few modules added, but NO mods to the core or permissions. What am i missing?

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 11, 2008 - 05:26 PM

  There does seem to be a bug tracker report on this.
  http://noc.postnuke.com/tracker/?group_id=5&atid=101&func=detail&aid=15721
  
  IE6 doesnt work with editing blocks at this point in time, hopefully this will be fixed soon, as many companies wont be leaving IE6 for some time.

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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 01:50 AM

  I second that.
  Special features not working on IE6 is acceptable, but a basic thing like editing blocks should work for all browsers (even the problematic ones) IMHO.
  
  Been looking at the code and surfed the internet, but there is no easy solution AFAIK. There are some javascript workarounds.
  See here and here for more info on the issue in IE6.
  
  A solution might be to make the cancel not a button but a href link with the cancel image in there. and only keep the Submit as a button.
  
  
  
  edited by: espaan, Mar 12, 2008 - 03:10 PM
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 04:27 AM

  While i'm not averse to fixing this i'd really question if it's too much to expect that an administrative workstation be running an even vaguely modern browser. IE6 is a dinosaur - take a look at the bug report for this problem and see what IE6 is doing here!.
  
  In my organisation were still IE6 due to a couple of corporate apps but those of us who look after the systems still have access to firefox, opera and ie7 as required.
  
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• Arthens
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 06:37 AM

  I totally agree with Mark on this.
  
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• nestormateo
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 07:12 AM

  Playing with new effects for ValueAddons forms, i can see that prototype effects has some problems with IE6 too! the "worst software of the XX century" rank is not enought to change it? LOL
  
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• AmmoDump
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 07:23 AM

  Well, I guess there are two ways to look at this:
  
  IE6 is the second most popular browser only second to IE7. And it should be supported better. (Yes in the ideal world IE6 would support standards better). But XP SP2 includes IE6 and it is still a supported browser by MS. IE7 is an optional update.
  
  I do not personally support IE6 for my sites.. e.g. I do not test with it at all anymore. Is it going to be an issue, well I guess it already is. Do I personally care? Nope. Should we care as a group? Maybe.. As individuals.. probably not.
  
  We want to release a great product, do we want to include an astrisks stating updating main menu or whatever requires a Vista Level browser for windows..
  
  /me goes and hides now...
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 07:30 AM

  Actually IE7 is no longer an optional update. IE7 is being (relatively speaking) forced to machines via windows update as a required update. You can no longer opt-out of IE7.
  
  Also we're not talking about end-users here we're talking about administrative functions where we're already using advanced javascript (prototype, script.aculo.us etc.) and CSS 2 features that IE6 simply doesn't fully support. If it's not this version of PN it *will* be the next....
  
  As i've said already IMO it's reasonable to expect a site administrator (and only a site administrator) to have a relatively modern browser. It's not like we're saying you need IE8, firefox 3 or anything - just something that's been released in the last 2-3 years.
  
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• AmmoDump
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 08:53 AM

  Actually, XP only downloads the prompt to upgrade, and the user has to make a choice to continue the upgrade at which point it downloads and installs.
  
  I understand that we are talking about administrative functions.. but administrative functions are not the same as developer functions. Now as a site administrator, I will admin from a variety of computers... where ever I am in the world on whatever machines are available.
  
  I personally have 'clients' that I have no idea what browser they use, they click on the blue e to get on the internet. This in itself creates a poor developer platform as an application framework, because If want to develop a website for a client, I must require that they not use the second most popular web browser to administer they site. This logic needs to be looked at... Administrators != Enthusiasts || Developers.
  
  Either way Mark, I personally don't care. I just think the argument should be presented.
  
  In my opinion, I would rather see servers upgrade to Apache 2 and PHP 5, instead of having deprecated PHP supported .
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 09:24 AM

  Yes but previously you could prevent IE7 from even prompting to install - in windows update IE7 was optional now it's required. This is a signal that MS consider IE6 end of life. And if a monolithic beast like MS consider something EOL then perhaps this is a signal we should too.
  
  To be honest if the 'fix' wasn't such a complete hack then I wouldn't mind so much....
  
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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 12, 2008 - 12:36 PM

  All together true, but ...
  
  If IE6 is still the nr 2 browser in usage, then even if it is only limited to administrators you still potentially have a lot of people that cannot update blocks. It's not a question of "not that easy" or "with a workaround", you cannot update blocks with the 2nd most used browser. IMHO this is not that good.
  On the other hand, the code to support IE6 is difficult if it works stable at all. Changing the way adminstration is done in such a crude way is also not a good idea.
  
  Should there be a browser advice in the postnuke docs somewhere that sums up these things at the least?
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Mar 13, 2008 - 07:15 AM

  Many companies including the one that i work for, dont run IE7 because of internal web apps that dont work properly on IE7. I work for a healthcare organization and our billing/ordering applet that is used on the floors does not work properly in IE7, its been customized for us by the vendor and would cost a ton of capital to get it updated to work within IE7

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  Posted: Mar 13, 2008 - 07:33 AM

  dot45

  Many companies including the one that i work for, dont run IE7 because of internal web apps that dont work properly on IE7. I work for a healthcare organization and our billing/ordering applet that is used on the floors does not work properly in IE7, its been customized for us by the vendor and would cost a ton of capital to get it updated to work within IE7

  
  
  So it's alright for a web application to not work with a modern browser if it costs a lot of money but not alright for a web application to not work with a legacy browser when it's free
  
  That you're corporate web apps only run on IE6 doesn't stop you having firefox, opera etc. available for administering PN. Again I stress that we're talking *only* about site administration functions.
  
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  Posted: Mar 13, 2008 - 07:36 AM

  markwest

  dot45

  Many companies including the one that i work for, dont run IE7 because of internal web apps that dont work properly on IE7. I work for a healthcare organization and our billing/ordering applet that is used on the floors does not work properly in IE7, its been customized for us by the vendor and would cost a ton of capital to get it updated to work within IE7

  
  
  So it's alright for a web application to not work with a modern browser if it costs a lot of money but not alright for a web application to not work with a legacy browser when it's free
  
  That you're corporate web apps only run on IE6 doesn't stop you having firefox, opera etc. available for administering PN. Again I stress that we're talking *only* about site administration functions.
  
  -Mark
  

  
  
  It does when corporate policy doesnt allow for "non-approved" software to be installed on company machines. I can't even begin to tell you the hoops that would have to be jumped through to get another browser approved. It would take weeks of testing or more to be sure that having the browser open wouldn't affect any of our clinical applications.
  

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  Posted: Mar 13, 2008 - 07:54 AM

  dot45

  It does when corporate policy doesnt allow for "non-approved" software to be installed on company machines. I can't even begin to tell you the hoops that would have to be jumped through to get another browser approved. It would take weeks of testing or more to be sure that having the browser open wouldn't affect any of our clinical applications.
  

  
  
  But at some point - be it now or later - you're going to *have to* get another browser approved. IE6 *is dead*.
  
  I still think that we're talking at cross-purposes anyway as the browser doesn't need a wide-spread deployment to end-user machines just availablity to the person(s) *administering* the site.
  
  If it's that mission critical PN is open source and patch contributions are welcome. As long as it doesn't break any functionality under any of the modern browsers patches to get functionality working under any legacy browser are welcome.
  
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