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• Technobilder
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 07:18 AM

  RC2 is there, RC-3 and final in reach. So what I ask myself is if anyone develops a postcalendar like module für NEWNAME too.
  
  Postcalendar itself is old, spaghetti coded and not performant. I use the Openstar Version of postcalender which is quite capable in managing my 300+ events/month, but I dont think thats usefull for 0.8final. Unfortunately I have a partysite and need a usable calender for hundreds of events with day/week/month categorised views.
  
  But actual I dont see any usable calendar module on the horizon, migrating to 0.8final isn't possible for me then for a longer time.
  
  And I'm no coder too, so what will the future be ... ?

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• Guite
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 08:00 AM

  Did you take a look at crpCalendar?
  It is a .8 module being actively maintained.
  Perhaps it is going to support a PostCalendar import...
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 09:41 AM

  Unless I'm missing something it's lacking an actuall "Calendar" view.
  
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• espaan
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 10:52 AM

  That's the same thing I experienced. It's more an event viewer than an actual calendar. However, as I read it corretly on the Openstar site they plan to update postcalendar for 0.8. But the status ?
  
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• dits
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 08:03 PM

  I personally like pgCalender. It displays Pagesetter publications in a calendar view. This enables you to categorize and relate events. The default templates are a bit rudimentary. If you have the skill to work with Smarty templates you can do anything with it though.
  
  It's probably a bit more work to get started, but in the end very flexible and powerful.

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• uheweb
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 17, 2008 - 10:01 PM

  A nice, simple calendar has been on my wish list for awhile.
  
  My thoughts:
  
  Day, Week, Month, and Event Detail views.
  Simplified iCal implementation for future compatibility - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar#Events_.28VEVENT.29
  Seperate calendars for users, groups, site
  Admin sets calendar viewable to anonymous,
  Calendar owners sets public, private
  User subscribe to site, group or public calendar (or private invites calendar) to show when they're logged in
  
  RSS / Atom / iCal feeds for each calendar for use outside Postnuke
  
  This and a few others are on my list of "hope to have time to implement" modules.
  
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• kaffeeringe.de
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 02:31 AM

  I do understand that the classic calendar view is a nice analogy for the "real" calendar - But I personally think it works only for a limited number of scenarios and I can only think of one: A personal calendar. Something like the Outlook calendar online.
  
  But if you have a collection of public events there are better ways to display them:
  1. If you only have few events - for example you are a fishing club and you only have events at the beginning of the season and at the end of the season, a Christmas party, a midsummer party it is IMHO best to have a simple list of these dates. So everybody can see at a glance what is planned for the next couple of months. -> Users don't have to browse through almost empty calendar pages.
  
  2. If you have 100 events a day because you are a city magazine or the national fishing association a classic calendar view would be stuffed with entries and you wouldn't be able to get an overview. IMHO this scenario needs a clever way of filtering lists in several ways: Daily, per topic, per location ASO. And maybe it also needs some editorial work to point out the most interesting events.
  
  So if you are not looking for a personal scheduler, you should evaluate those calendars that have a list view: crpCalendar, pgCalendar - and we plan to build in some kind of calendar feature into Content as well. But not for the next version
  
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• kaffeeringe.de
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 02:32 AM

  (Content implementation will be based on an existing calendar module!)
  
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• kaffeeringe.de
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 02:50 AM

  BTW: It would be nice if you told the crpCalendar guy what exactly you need. They can't read you minds and their feature request tracker is almost empty.
  
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• JørnWildt
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 03:07 AM

  uheweb

  A nice, simple calendar has been on my wish list for awhile.
  My thoughts:
  
  Day, Week, Month, and Event Detail views.
  Simplified iCal implementation for future compatibility - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICalendar#Events_.28VEVENT.29
  Seperate calendars for users, groups, site
  Admin sets calendar viewable to anonymous,
  Calendar owners sets public, private
  User subscribe to site, group or public calendar (or private invites calendar) to show when they're logged in
  
  RSS / Atom / iCal feeds for each calendar for use outside Postnuke

  
  
  *grin* and you call that a "A nice, SIMPLE calendar"

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• jami
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 03:44 AM

  I totally agree with Steffen ...
  
  some feature requested here will be hardly (or never ) included in the crpCalendar module (probably an event module, to avoid mislead)
  
  

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  Day, Week, Month, and Event Detail views.
  Simplified iCal implementation for future compatibility - http://en.wikipedia.org/w...ar#Events_.28VEVENT.29
  Seperate calendars for users, groups, site
  Admin sets calendar viewable to anonymous,
  Calendar owners sets public, private
  User subscribe to site, group or public calendar (or private invites calendar) to show when they're logged in

  
  
  wow, i think this is out of coding-time available for me. sorry, i really hope someone else will take in charge of a PostCalendar followup like this, for the benefit of the entire $NewName community
  
  

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  Perhaps it is going to support a PostCalendar import...

  
  really ?
  
  
  
  edited by: jami, Jan 18, 2008 - 04:50 PM
  
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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 04:23 AM

  Well, there is also PostSchedule out... That module works too IMHO.
  
  @kafferinge: I think your example miss the common use of a calendar on most sites. Your time range examples are to big.
  
  What we need as a game site and i can think of alot similiar sites is a calendar with a monthly and 30 days view. For example Web 2.0 sites.
  
  I need to assign group(s) which can post in the calendar, group(s) who can post but submit events and a small calendar with color system to mark it on the main page.
  
  I found that the 2 calendars i examined (Postcalendar and Postschedule) utilizied the powerful
  permission system not good enough... What i missed as a standard element for a global calendar is a "submit event" and a permission system who can post to what event and which group user can moderate it.
  
  That sounds alot more complex as it is, because most code & functions use of that features are
  already done in the postnuke permission & group system.
  
  But what i really need is a small calendar view on the main page, where the coming events are shown and where you can see whats comming in the this month.
  
  Thats the point: Give the players/users a fast & noticable graphical element about whats coming in the next time. Xmas or other "big" events are not so interesting because everyone normally knows when they are comming or you talk also in the news or forum about it.
  
  So, most important are IMHO a good interface where groups and/or selected people can enter their stuff and a good templating system with colors or markups to show it in a small calendar to the users.
  
  The other stuff like archives and that you can browse 10 years in the future are not so important, and i also don't know any site where they are important.
  
  I also have the problem with crpCalendar thats its from the system a calendar but a event & date based news system.
  

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• Technobilder
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 04:38 AM

  For a basic release crpCalender looks nice, but actually it is missing a location database.
  
  Its not usefull if you have a list of events but you dont see where they take place.
  (And its no way to add this information into the "Subject" line, as this results in a confusing look later with dozens of events.)
  
  If crpCalender would have the fields like postcalendar (location, street, town, region, infoemail, URL, price) that would be a major advantage.
  - A calendar also needs reoccuring events.
  - iCal im-export would be nice but isnt a must.
  - possibility for registered users to "join" an event, so that other users can see a list of the users going to that event - as the eventia module looks dead this is a nice to have for a calendar
  - a block "todays events"for the mainpage. Also a block that shows just the events of a certain categorie (New York, Montreal) to a user living there
  
  I dont think an Openstar version of postcalender for 0.8 is very usefull. As I use this now with .764 its always a pain if an upgrade for postnuke comes but I have to wait till my calendar is upgraded too - otherwise it will not work.
  
  How about financing a calender module - like a code sponsoring? As I need a good module I definitly be willing to spend some money. But I cant pay that my own totally.
  
  
  
  edited by: Technobilder, Jan 18, 2008 - 05:40 PM

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 05:41 AM

  kaffeeringe.de

  I do understand that the classic calendar view is a nice analogy for the "real" calendar - But I personally think it works only for a limited number of scenarios and I can only think of one: A personal calendar. Something like the Outlook calendar online.

  
  Well, think outside your box. There are numerous uses. After all schools, businesses, Churches, etc often publish traditional month view calendars with the events of the month on them, so that people can easily see what's going on at a glance, in an easier to parse look. Additionally, for a community site, if used properly, then even if there are 20 events on one day, it's easy for the viewer to filter what they don't want to see. A very active Church for instance, an elderly gentleman doesn't necessarily need to see what the teens, kids and women are up to, just the men and seniors, so he could filter out the categories that are of no interest to him, and see a month view with only what he wants to see.
  
  
  
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• uheweb
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 18, 2008 - 05:56 AM

  JørnWildt

  *grin* and you call that a "A nice, SIMPLE calendar"

  
  
  Yep!
  
  Actually, the structure and basic "event" output of the module would be simple, but the extra features make it harder. It could start simple, and add permissions and calendar subscriptions later.
  
  

  kaffeeringe.de

  I do understand that the classic calendar view...But I personally think it works only for a limited number of scenarios

  
  
  When I say calendar, I mean a collection of events - if those are collected into a daily, weekly, monthly, list, per topic, per user - that's merely the display of a subset of events in different ways.
  
  Ideally, each event would be iCal compatible (ie, map schema to iCal standard), and tied to:
  A person
  A group
  A topic or category
  
  Then, to view the: Person A calendar in list form, it grabs events, orders them, and places them in the format template asked for by the user - list view, monthly view, etc.
  
  I do something quite similar in a java app - there are no true "calendars" merely events tied to different things categories (even multiple categories) and the calendar views are generated from lists of subscribed categories.
  
  

  kaffeeringe.de

  1. If you only have few events -

  
  

  kaffeeringe.de

  2. If you have 100 events a day

  
  
  Make all views available - then the user can decide which view to use. Then, some simple logic can limit the display in certain ways for certain view - disabled or limited depending on criteria like the number of events in the span (ie, if only 3 events are in a month it defaults to a list view, if 30, 3 per day, month view, if 30, all in one day, day view, (or shows month, with a MORE EVENTS - show all which links to a days view).
  
  I'll put together a quick alpha demo (its been on my list for a while, and more and more need a good replacement to Postcalendar).
  
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