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• JørnWildt
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 02:27 AM

  Wendell

  I, for one, think certification is a great idea. The one problem I see is related to larsneo's latest comment... who will review these modules and make them officially certified?

  
  
  My thoughts was to make an "Open Source" certification - let both the certificate requirements and the certification process be completely open to everybody. There will be no "Official Certifiers" - everybody should be able to certify everybody's modules, as long as they stick to the same certification rules. Then as time goes by we will start to see who's certificates we can trust.

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• JørnWildt
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 02:30 AM

  Uheweb:

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  1. PostNuke sets up the cert criteria - great list in this post by JornWildt!
  2. A database of modules (hey! we already have that ) then allows for reviewers to grade the module to the cert criteria (1-5, 5 best, boolean on some, etc.).

  
  
  yep

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• JørnWildt
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 02:31 AM

  AmmoDump

  [devils advocate]
  Add this potential pitfall:
  
  I can see where a module get a lot of credential from being around for a long while it gets a high rating....
  
  Along comes Johnny competing module, Johnny doesn't care about certification, in fact his fist implementation of the new module are less than stellar. His rating is low... but one day Johnny gets inspired and rewrites his module and it is great. At the same time the other module has been abandoned, an security hole is discovered, the coder had triples and his home was attacked by wild monkeys. Now we have a scenario, where the bad module is better and the better module is worse.... I hope you see where this is going... And on top of it all, the certification project has been abounded by most of its certifiers...
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  I don't agree on this one. The certification applies to one version only for exactly your reasons. Maybe it applies to one major version (all 4.1, 4.2 and 4.n versions).

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• AmmoDump
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 04:00 AM

  JørnWildt

  Wendell

  I, for one, think certification is a great idea. The one problem I see is related to larsneo's latest comment... who will review these modules and make them officially certified?

  
  
  My thoughts was to make an "Open Source" certification - let both the certificate requirements and the certification process be completely open to everybody. There will be no "Official Certifiers" - everybody should be able to certify everybody's modules, as long as they stick to the same certification rules. Then as time goes by we will start to see who's certificates we can trust.

  
  
  Build a good free system, get everyone hooked, then charge high rates for certs.. Brilliant! Just Kidding!--kinda
  
  
  
  

  JørnWildt

  Uheweb:

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  1. PostNuke sets up the cert criteria - great list in this post by JornWildt!
  2. A database of modules (hey! we already have that ) then allows for reviewers to grade the module to the cert criteria (1-5, 5 best, boolean on some, etc.).

  
  
  yep

  
  
  25829 downloads for PN 0.764 zip.. and the rating... it's unrated.
  
  

  .764 rating page for zip

  
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  Reference: http://community.postnuke.com/Downloads-req-viewdownloaddetails-lid-5.htm
  
  Top 25 rated from the Downloads area: http://community.postnuke.com/Downloads-req-TopRated.htm
  
  People just don't rate things... By the time, I have sufficient knowledge of whatever, rating it is far from my mind...
  
  
  
  edited by: AmmoDump, Jul 04, 2007 - 11:05 AM
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 05:58 AM

  I don't know, this type of feature (certification) seems like a bit of the "bell" (as in "bells and whistles") to me, I feel that there are more appropriate areas where the resources would be better utilised.
  
  Why not put your time into some marketing initiatives? I would advise advertising directly to 3PD, educating them as to why they should deploy there systems with Postnuke as opposed to another framework or standalone. This is a far more valuable undertaking in my opinion.
  
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• AmmoDump
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 07:48 AM

  Lobos

  I don't know, this type of feature (certification) seems like a bit of the "bell" (as in "bells and whistles") to me, I feel that there are more appropriate areas where the resources would be better utilised.
  
  Why not put your time into some marketing initiatives? I would advise advertising directly to 3PD, educating them as to why they should deploy there systems with Postnuke as opposed to another framework or standalone. This is a far more valuable undertaking in my opinion.
  
  -Lobos
  

  
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 04, 2007 - 09:25 AM

  Lobos

  I feel that there are more appropriate areas where the resources would be better utilised... Why not put your time into some marketing initiatives?

  
  
  I wouldn't worry too much about that. :) It seems to me that this is going to be one of those every-man-for-himself things, rather than one that's spending the core team's time as a whole. Once someone's efforts break ahead of the rest, devs may start migrating toward that (and I stress 'may'). I didn't get the sense that this was being spoken of in terms of a team effort, though; it seemed more toward a certify-your-own model; works for me!
  
  I think it might have been said, but in terms of paid certifications: I don't see it happening anytime soon. Who would pay? Forget the fact that there's no Certifying Authority... The end-client would have to pay to have a whole site of modules certified in order to make it of any "use" to them, so that would pretty much put the cost onto the developer, who in many cases, is doing the work for free in the first place. It doesn't seem likely...

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