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Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 12:54 PM
5. If enough ppl do that it wont matter if u have code that will bring jesus back to life cause you will end up with no one to use it
5.Instead of always attacking all the users who suggest or complain about stuff, try listening to them.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:17 PM
vworld
I can agree the UI needs improvement and that is happening. You know alot of the improvement can be made through a theme.
We're also working on the UI and you can see the comparisons I did here: http://www.ithinkmedia.com/pnusability/ So streamlining things is definitely happening and it is getting better.
This is awesome and Im glad but thats all the community ever hears, oh its coming its coming,well ok where is it. That causes allot of frusteration for people. Its like saying "oh yeah the cheque is in the mail"
Sorry -- but disagree -- the admin user interface has IMPROVED!!
AcidComplex
There over 1400 extensions for joomla, how many for postnuke?. I struggled to hold onto postnuke for as long as i could. The fact that we have been waiting for .8 for how many months now has played a major decision to switch. Yes i understand its done by people on there free time etc.. but so is joomla stuff how come they seem to find they time for all this work, is there user base and dev community that much more active? (signals the first problem).
vworld
The question -- do all 1400 extensions work? Are the older extensions included? How many of these are commercial extensions?
Here are a few number for PN:
281 active projects hosted on the pnNOC
390 Block Releases (Since New Site Was Launched)
121 Module Releases (Since New Site Launch)
62 Theme Releases (Since New Site Launch)
16 Plugin Releases (Since New Site Launch)
Total 870
Do all the 870 extensions work? oh and good luck trying to track those modules down and find them and the ones that u can, no longer have support cause there waiting for .8. Whihc as we know is "coming soon"
Sorry but you didn't answer my question -- you don't know that the 1400 extensions you've quoted work.
just dispelling your myth that Joomla is the CMS that is going to save the world. (LOL) People always think the grass in greener on the other side of the fence until they get there and realize it isn't.
It's being done by lots of people here and there but the issue maybe less of those people are complaining and doing something. So instead of complaining that no one else is doing anything maybe do something constructive but I digress -- I think you've made up your mind and it works for you. And the reality is you've been here 3/4 years and you haven't stepped up to the plate then it isn't a surprise you're not going to step up to the plate now.
If you aren't willing to step up to the plate and make things happen then moving to another CMS maybe is the best option for you.
Good luck.
I'm sorry but you or anyone else can no needle id .8 RIGHT NOW -- it is active and working! This is not as you've exaggerated.
AcidComplex
Joe:Hey guys how do you love my awesome .8 "fix the world mod"
Frank: U have a .8 module? darn now if only I had a .8 PRODUCTION QUALITY release to use it with.
Joe: Oh dont worry the .8 release is "coming soon"
Frank: Saweetness
Joe: Yeah should be ready by 2029
Frank: oh wow thats um saweet....Post-who?, Ill use Jooomla
No worries -- again, good luck in your new community. Hopefully you'll step up to the plate sooner there.
AcidComplex
Credits:Me
2007 All rights Reserved :)
Not sure what this means -- but really doesn't matter. Have you ever looked at Joomla -- they own the copyright and reserve their rights!
No worries -- again, good luck in your new CMS home -- maybe you should create a Joomla extensions site and compete with the thousands already created.
Sure you're grateful because you don't have to pay for anything and then you complain it isn't being developed or designed according to your time frame. So please exercise your option to use another CMS -- good luck in your new home.
Good luck in your CMS new home, I'm getting back to work.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:32 PM
vworld
As a project we provide quality tools, documentation, and resources to help make marketing/development easier for the 'multipliers'. Our audience (if you want to speak in marketing terms) are the multipliers in the community, the third party devs, theme designers, web firms etc.
As far as the configuration of your version of PN will be determined by you or your CMS integrator and what you want to accomplish, right now we have a beta of a tool that allows the person downloading PN to choose the features/functionality they'd like to have then the modules that create this functionality are included within the download. Can't get much simplier that this and you won't have to deal with modules that aren't suited for your site.
Therin lies the problem - the 'multipliers'or part thereof - the 3rd party developers have dropped off as can be seen by the amount of modules available for .726 compared to .762 - one has to ask why?
And again no disrespect - but a beta of a tool now is not addressing the issues I have with providing what my members want - how long should we wait for this to happen?
I also don't think it is fair to say things like "If you aren't willing to step up to the plate and make things happen then moving to another CMS may be the best option for you."
Statements like that make me think that the devs don't care about the end user - you want us all to be PHP experts and code things for ourselves and help the devs out.
The bottom line is I think you will find most of the folk coming to these boards are like myself, Webmasters who are looking for CMS to Integrate their sites - they don't want to wait for the next release to have X functionality and they certainly don't want to have to code it themselves - otherwise why use something pre-made? We would code it ourselves from scratch if we had that knowledge.
So again - bottom line - we are the users of the product - we are the ones you have to convince that Postnuke is for us - and then we we find out how great and simple it is - we will be off and telling everyone about how great Postnuke is - but at the moment I honestly couldn't recommend it to anyone given my experiences with it and the quality of support I received when asking about issues.
It really looks to me as though we have people here convincing themselves that Postnuke is the right CMS but not one of the single arguments put forward has convinced me to stick with it - and I don't think I am the only one in the same boat given the figures quoted in the opening post to this thread.
Again - no offense intended but it seems that the question has been asked what is wrong - but when someone like myself tells you what they think is wrong with PN everyone gets all defensive and starts quoting security and stuff like that - which as others have pointed out is of no interest to the people that really matter - my end users - the Members of my sites.
And just so you don't get the wrong idea - putting together a replica of my largest PN site in Joomla certainly isn't a "Point & Click" operation.
But the tools I need now are there now....
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:33 PM
Perhaps just one of the only ones who will say it and not give a shit about all the hate I will get from the devs cause they dont agree
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:38 PM
AcidComplex
5. If enough ppl do that it wont matter if u have code that will bring jesus back to life cause you will end up with no one to use it
5.Instead of always attacking all the users who suggest or complain about stuff, try listening to them.
AcidComplex,
You have managed to put in so much more eloquently than myself....
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:43 PM
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Perhaps just one of the only ones who will say it and not give a shit about all the hate I will get from the devs cause they dont agree
grr. hate words here.
unfortunately, none of these arguments are "new".. though, they are being heard/read "again".. who knows.
your users are of course in your best interest.. you need to use whatever tool works. I don't know how "PN" feels about people/users/developers/themers "moving on", but I'm not enjoying it.
good luck
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:45 PM
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 01:48 PM
5. If enough ppl do that it wont matter if u have
code that will bring jesus back to life cause you
will end up with no one to use it
5.Instead of always attacking all the users who
suggest or complain about stuff, try listening to
them.
AcidComplex, there's definitely no question of attacking anybody for expressing their views... It's very important to listen to feedback from the community... That's precisely what this particular thread is about. I understand what you're saying, and I also get frustrated when I can't find documentation on stuff. I would also like to see some improvements in the themes that ship with the package. But I really think you will see an improvement in this over the next few months. I, for one, will be putting work in on these things, and I know I won't be alone.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 02:02 PM
Acid Complex, I didn't get personal, just pointing to some of the facts. And if you really knew me then I have no problems in ever admitting to mistakes -- if you can do that then you can move forward, learn, and improve your journey through life. And I apologize if you took this as personal attacks because it wasn't meant to be taken that way, often text based communications can be taken wrong if the person reading it projects their own feelings onto the words. Again, I apologize if I said anything that was seen as a personal attack. But I think I'll stop typing now because I definitely feel like I'm being attacked by you beyond the discussion and life's too short for it.
As IR said I'm sorry to see people leaving but I'm not sure what can be done to change the hearts and minds of people who seem to have already made up their minds. And although some of the suggestions are good I think contructive criticism goes over better if the people giving the criticisms are interested in helping to make it better.
As a project we're making slow and steady progress. We're reaching out to people who are interested in giving back to the community. If you have contructive suggestions then please make them -- if you want to see PN improve then please join in to make it happen.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 02:18 PM
vworld
Acid Complex, I didn't get personal, just pointing to some of the facts. And if you really knew me then I have no problems in ever admitting to mistakes -- if you can do that then you can move forward, learn, and improve your journey through life. And I apologize if you took this as personal attacks because it wasn't meant to be taken that way, often text based communications can be taken wrong if the person reading it projects their own feelings onto the words. Again, I apologize if I said anything that was seen as a personal attack. But I think I'll stop typing now because I definitely feel like I'm being attacked by you beyond the discussion and life's too short for it.
As IR said I'm sorry to see people leaving but I'm not sure what can be done to change the hearts and minds of people who seem to have already made up their minds. And although some of the suggestions are good I think contructive criticism goes over better if the people giving the criticisms are interested in helping to make it better.
As a project we're making slow and steady progress. We're reaching out to people who are interested in giving back to the community. If you have contructive suggestions then please make them -- if you want to see PN improve then please join in to make it happen.
I did not say this was a personal attack lol and sorry if you now feel personally attacked hahaha
I have been around for a long while so forgive me if I get all uppty about "not helping out". Dont assume because u dont see my name all over this site that I do not help. I have used PN in corporate sites and helped anyone I know with PN, have also implemented it at work on our intranet (Openstar version) and recommened it when anyone has asked which CMS to use.
This was not a overnight decision I have been testing joomla for a long while now and as I said PN has had a great run and I fully believe that ONE DAY it will blow the competition away as it did back in the day with PHPnuke due in part to its taking so long to catch up. When this day comes u will see me first in line.
Ill open a whole section dedicated to PN on the new Joomla site as I still love PN, it just dosent work for me anymore. For me PN is that hot girl that u may be able to get into the sack,but why maybe get some when u could hit up the fat chick and make it a lock ;)
Sorry fresh out of analogies right now lol
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 02:34 PM
I don't really think that the user base is going to bleed away, especially if we manage some work on documentation and theming. I think that in the longer run, users will come back again and new users will be won over. A quality "product" will not fail to rise to the top. And I believe that PN is indeed that.
With time, these demo applications will come. There already a couple of simple ones now, and they'll be extended and augmented.
If you go looking elsewhere today, I believe you'll be back here in the future.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 02:50 PM
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 03:13 PM
Unfourtnatly I do. As with any site my memebers ARE my site if they dont like what im putting out then I need to adapt it to them as any successful product needs to do.
I'm sorry - but what excuses should we use for moving on - it is our Members of our Sites that ultimately decide how our sites will look and feel and what functions they need - and as of this moment in time Postnuke can't provide those features.
Please keep in mind that I concede that joomla is not as secure as postnuke and it does not have as advanced architecture as PN but guess what. NONE of that matters to my users,they want a site thats easy to use, looks good, and has what they want.
waiting for .8 to come out is no excuse
I really do like PN its just doesn't make the grade anymore.
but thats all the community ever hears, oh its coming its coming
I was going to make a site dedicated to PostNuke modules,themes etc but make it for what? So it can turn into a site like this with a module update every month or six.
Posted: Mar 20, 2007 - 04:55 PM
Posted: Mar 21, 2007 - 02:32 AM
I've started a new thread to see if we can come to a consensus of ideas of specific points of improvements or suggestions (i.e., feature requests) we'd all like to see implemented./
http://community.postnuke.com/module-Forum-viewtopic-topic-52095-start-0.htm#pid222645
Note, these suggestions, feature requests should also be posted on the NOC's feature list. :)
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