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Cannot post to forum with Javascript disabled; what ever happened to degrading gracefully?
  • Posted: 06.06.2006, 18:36
     
    alarconcepts
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    Now that Ajax is an integral part of things, this is just a tester to see what one misses out on with JS disabled in the new forum...

    Right here on the new-post page an error message is redundantly duplicated...and it needs a period at the end.

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    Your browser does not support javascript or you turned it off. This means that several features on this page will not work as intended


    NOTE: A post can not be submitted with Javascript disabled; it automatically sends you to "preview" the post ... so I did have to enable JS to get this to post.

    I have to admit, I'm no fan of requiring JS of end-users...for anything...but it seems a shame to heal up so many standards/accessibility issues only to leave this to fester.

    Are there any plans to make this degrade gracefully?

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  • Posted: 06.06.2006, 21:15
     
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    Hmmm. Isn't

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    redundantly duplicated
    redundant?

    Hehe.
  • Posted: 06.06.2006, 21:17
     
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    Glad someone said something! :D


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  • Posted: 18.06.2006, 21:44
     
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    It's been said before --- Like WHY did these "developers" basically bar Internet Explorer users from using the Forums?

    "Oh No - we didn't do that! IE is just not compatible with OUR ideas"

    It seems that their "ideas" fall in lock-step with certain ... errr .. shall we just say anti-Microsoft feelings?

    Why else would you intentionally EXCLUDE 80% of the internet users that use Microsoft and Internet Explorer instead of the "progressive" linux.

    For me to read and post in this forum, I have to use an inferior browser that has the "blessings" of the progressives.

    Oh well - I've been a PostNuke user and fan and at time helper etc ... until now.

    I cannot ban 80% plus of my clients and users from my own websites if this farce continues.

    Any ideas for a much better system than PN ??

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  • Posted: 18.06.2006, 22:42
     
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    I'm not sure I understand?

    IE works. (This was posted and then edited with IE.) I don't follow what you mean by:

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    Why else would you intentionally EXCLUDE 80% of the internet users that use Microsoft and Internet Explorer instead of the "progressive" linux.


    What can't you do here with IE?

    Mind you, I'm not an IE fan. I spend much more time using a Mac than either Windows or Linux. But I use Windows at work; and I do my best to make sure that what I present on the web is browser neutral - so I agree with the concept that IE shouldn't be excluded. I just don't understand what makes you think it IS excluded.

    (And, IMO, finding something "much better than" PostNuke would be hard. But that should really be a separate thread, discussing what the other CMS solutions are like and what they have to offer/teach PN. As long as it is a constructive discussion, it would seem to be a helpful thread.)



    edited by: pheski, Jun 18, 2006 - 12:49 PM

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  • Posted: 18.06.2006, 23:10
     
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    It seems that their "ideas" fall in lock-step with certain ... errr .. shall we just say anti-Microsoft feelings?


    1) I am an active member of the PNphpBB2 development team - so, no big fan of pnForum.
    2) I am a full-time and dedicated promoter of free & open source software in general, and specially Linux - so, you can guess what I think about MS and it's products.

    But: This forum is by far one of the best web forums I have ever seen, when looking at having all features and design working well with ALL browsers at ALL operating systems. The developers have taken special care and invested a lot of time and work into having this look and work well in Internet Explorer. This site works very well in your favorite browser at your favorite operating system.

    So, I really can't understand what you're talking about here.

    Greetings,
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    (Posted with IE 6.0.2800.1106, just for you)



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  • Posted: 19.06.2006, 16:34
     
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    spadata1

    IE is just not compatible with OUR ideas"


    icon_rolleyes

    Spa... no one here made PN, the forums, or whatever else uncompatible with IE... you probably should check what you messed up in your IE installation as sometimes, one IE will have problems on a computer, and not on another one. (The beauty of IE). And I do hope that you are not considering IE7 as a superior browser... it is still alpha, beta whatever.

    spadata1

    It seems that their "ideas" fall in lock-step with certain ... errr .. shall we just say anti-Microsoft feelings?

    This is the kind of discussion I never saw among the devs... while the devs do probably have feelings toward one or another... nobody cares and we work together. If what you saw was true, we would have more problem working together.

    spadata1


    Why else would you intentionally EXCLUDE 80% of the internet users that use Microsoft and Internet Explorer instead of the "progressive" linux.


    Irrelevant... never happened, never will...

    spadata1

    For me to read and post in this forum, I have to use an inferior browser that has the "blessings" of the progressives.

    Wich goes back to my first phrase... check your installation. IE is working totally fine... among most of the other browsers.

    spadata1

    Oh well - I've been a PostNuke user and fan and at time helper etc ... until now.


    And we do appreciate that... icon_wink

    spadata1

    I cannot ban 80% plus of my clients and users from my own websites if this farce continues.

    You seem to have more problem than others... and that others don't have. Check back phrase 1.

    spadata1

    Any ideas for a much better system than PN ??


    Nope...... does that really exist ? he he ! icon_wink

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 08:38
     
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    1 - I have working with PostNuke since 2001 installed/maintained over 20 different PN websites
    2 - I have been working with computers since 1968
    3 - I believe I know a bit about how to operate a sbrowser
    4 - the error may NOT be with pnForum but with this new and so far unfriendly half-working website using PN8 (or just the incompatibility of the two? )
    5 - besides the errors here, where are the older modules, blocks, themes, etc - not even the old forum messages on here are available, but the quantity still shows ???
    (yes I know about the NOC

    Here is a screen shot of what this forum looks like when I access it from any of my three XP-Pro machines

    http://www.spadata.c…/pnforum errors.jpg -- linked because the 600 px wide picture is too much for many viewers

    If I cursor over each line, they MAY appear, they may partially appear, they may appear then disappear as I go down a line - and they all appear as I HiLite them.

    This problem is on a new 64-bit Compaq using XP-Media - on an older (700mhz) Dell server with XP-Pro - and on an even older (450mhz)Compaq desktop XP-Pro

    NO problems with pnForum with the last NON-pn8 version at all I have it running on three 762 sites.

    and yes I can post once I find my way into a category -- the problems are all on the opening page of pnForum only.

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 13:31
     
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    Spa... 1-2-3 - Showing us your experience gives us nothing more in the current situation than an interesting information... your experience.

    4 - pn.com and community.pn.com are neither on 0.8. Both are on perfectly healthy 762.

    5 - If you browse to the Module - Blocks, etc sections, you should see this:

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    We have maintained an archive of the news from the old subdomains, which you can use if an extension you are looking for has yet to be added to the extensions database.

    The word archive points to all the old news of the old subdomains.

    Modules: http://community.postnuke.com/module-Database-main-tid-11.htm
    Themes: http://community.postnuke.com/module-Database-main-tid-10.htm
    Blocks: http://community.postnuke.com/module-Database-main-tid-9.htm

    Everything is there... Old forum messages too.

    The screenshot : That at last gives us exactly the problem you face. I can confirm that I have the same problem on 1 computer while my 2 others don't have it. But while I do confirm, it seems your problem is much bigger than mine as I don't have that much blanks. Only a few lines barely half hidden without really being very annoying and everything is fine when I scroll down and up. I don't need to highlight anything, only to scroll.

    It can be many things, resolution, your browser, etc. but whatever it is, I'd say its a known issue and we will find it.

    As for the rest... well... everyone can have its own opinion. icon_wink
    And if the start page of the forum is the only page having that big of an issue, I thing we can say that the site is more than "half-working".

    The hidden parts could be a z-index thing... If a CSS pro pass by, maybe he can confirm ?

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 14:48
     
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    Can anyone confirm that the problem of hidden forum descriptions and else is fixed ?

    I made a little modification that apparently fixed all hidden glitch I could have.


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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 16:40
     
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    Site seems to be running slow today, but I can now see the forum titles and descriptions.

    Thanks :)

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 17:50
     
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    Appears fixed to me, as well.

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 18:11
     
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    alarconcepts

    Site seems to be running slow today...



    Might be my fault. I was hammering it earlier with some work on the SVN notices... Should be optimized now.
    http://community.pos…le=SVN&package=svn7

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 20:21
     
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    Yes, working nice and fast now ... thanks for a quick turnaround.

    :)

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  • Posted: 27.06.2006, 20:28
     
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    From what I could saw, the problem was coming from a leftover from the previous template where the forums were hidden via Ajax.

    Although supposed to be invisible, it was stepping on the visible things...

    Well... one less problem... :)

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