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• denisrf
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:14 AM

  You know, this is the sort of thread that makes searching for information on these forums so frustrating for me personally and I think a lot of others too. A person comes in looking for some help with their problem, which they received in the first 4-5 posts, then the whole thing turns into a debate that has little to do with the original question. How many threads on these boards are filled with irrelevant posts.
  
  Actually I find the debate about the merits of using tools that are developed interesting, however there is a general chat forum here that would be better used for this sort of thing.
  
  This is meant to be constructive and not a bite at anyone, please take it that way.
  
  Best regards
  Denis.

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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:21 AM

  I agree totally - may the moderators should split threads like this...
  
  Maybe we should debate this new issue also LOL hahahahahhhaa
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:22 AM

  Lobos

  John,
  
  I am taking in what you are saying, but I don't get it - how is using a module generator going to cause users to pick up bad habits?

  It's a bad habit to rely on a tool in general, IMHO, but... more importantly, a tool, while it may well work, may not encourage people to learn anything other than the tool.
  
  

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  I would think there should be more concern about people using existing modules as a base - ie, if the orginal module has poor security then the resulting hacked up version will also.

  I fully agree that more concern should go there... but that's not so say that no concern should be mentioned at this.
  
  

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  With a module generated module you are starting from scratch...
  So tell me, if you are going to start a module from scratch, how do you go about it (in regards to file structure, install, etc), do you take an existing module and cut all the code then do a find and replace on the module name or do you write all from scratch? Both of these methods are going to take time and the exact same outcome will be acheived by a module generator (if written properly), instantly...

  Of course, each situation is going to vary to some degree, but typically I start with a single text document and go from there. I can almost recall the Example module from memory (save for the new data dictionary methods.) In the beginning, I didn't do it that way, but I'm one who likes to learn how and why.
  
  

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  It doesn't matter a bit if the dev site disapears, you will still have the generator and if the file structure chages for postnuke, well you will just have to learn a new way (like everyone else will have to). So really it is no issue.

  It doesn't matter so long at the dev. stays on the project. Otherwise, one version upgrade to the system (ie, PN) could potentially render their "generator" useless...for someone designing modules for a living (or even as a side job) using nothing but a generator, this could potentially be disastrous for that person.
  
  

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  just my 2 cents...

  Adam, I know you do a lot of work for and within the community. I appreciate what you do, whether I use your work or not, and undoubtedly, others will too. We're peers in this, whether we've got different ideas and approaches, and I appreciate that this discussion has been civil. So long as we can all be friends and have a beer at the end of the day, I'm happy. Just wanted to express my personal opinion...and glad to see it generated some feedback.
  
  Thanks.
  
  :)

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:25 AM

  denisrf

  You know, this is the sort of thread that makes searching for information on these forums so frustrating for me personally and I think a lot of others too. A person comes in looking for some help with their problem, which they received in the first 4-5 posts, then the whole thing turns into a debate that has little to do with the original question. How many threads on these boards are filled with irrelevant posts.
  
  Actually I find the debate about the merits of using tools that are developed interesting, however there is a general chat forum here that would be better used for this sort of thing.
  
  This is meant to be constructive and not a bite at anyone, please take it that way.
  
  Best regards
  Denis.

  
  Denis, no bites taken... :) Actually, I think we've done a fairly decent job...after all, the question was at least answered within the first few posts, before a healthy discussion ensued.
  
  :)

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:26 AM

  Lobos

  I agree totally - may the moderators should split threads like this...
  
  Maybe we should debate this new issue also LOL hahahahahhhaa

  
  
  Actually, I am a moderator, but with no guidelines on splitting and so forth, I'm hesitant to do such things.
  
  Maybe we should debate this new issue... Hold on, I'll find another thread to put it on... JK! :):):)

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:37 AM

  Split whenever you feel necessary ;) I haven't been following this discussion so far, but I'll leave it to you.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:42 AM

  Simon, you should write a doc on it...just as a funny...
  
  Split when necessary.
  Lock when necessary.
  
  :)

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:43 AM

  I've been meaning to write proper support guidelines for so long it's not funny. Anyway, since the support team only consists of a few people, it's not so important. At least, that's how I avoid doing it.
  
  Common sense is the key.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Sep 27, 2005 - 07:48 AM

  No biggie...
  
  

  HammerHead

  Common sense is the key.

  
  
  Oh...when did sense go common!? ;) Just razzin' ya...!

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