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• TMoS
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 01, 2005 - 09:43 AM

  Multimedia is a patent minefield. All important techniques and formats are covered by broad and trivial patents that are harming progress and alternative implementations, such as free software multimedia players.
  
  The European commission has just passed its directive on software patents, violating democratic rules and procedures to the sole benefit of big non-European corporation and Ireland and to the detriment of small and medium sized businesses (which comprise 99% of the European software industry) and free software.
  
  The European parliament will now be taking the last stand against software patents in a voting for which an absolute majority is needed. Such a majority is hard to come by in a parliament with a low attendance level.
  
  But not all is lost yet as long as you decide it is time to make a difference and take action. This is our last opportunity to fend off software patents worldwide, there will be no second chance for the foreseeable future.
  
  Signing petitions will not suffice. Contact your local EU representatives and educate them why software patents are a bad idea in the first place and why they must attend that parliament session to vote against them. Make it clear that they need to stop the machinations of the EU council and reaffirm the power of the EU parliament, the only democratically elected EU institution. For in-depth information and starting points to get active visit the software patent page of the FFII (Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure) and NoSoftwarePatents.com.
  
  Wish us luck, we will need it.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 01, 2005 - 10:36 AM

  TMoS

  Multimedia is a patent minefield. All important techniques and formats are covered by broad and trivial patents that are harming progress and alternative implementations, such as free software multimedia players.
  
  The European commission has just passed its directive on software patents, violating democratic rules and procedures to the sole benefit of big non-European corporation and Ireland and to the detriment of small and medium sized businesses (which comprise 99% of the European software industry) and free software.
  
  The European parliament will now be taking the last stand against software patents in a voting for which an absolute majority is needed. Such a majority is hard to come by in a parliament with a low attendance level.
  
  But not all is lost yet as long as you decide it is time to make a difference and take action. This is our last opportunity to fend off software patents worldwide, there will be no second chance for the foreseeable future.
  
  Signing petitions will not suffice. Contact your local EU representatives and educate them why software patents are a bad idea in the first place and why they must attend that parliament session to vote against them. Make it clear that they need to stop the machinations of the EU council and reaffirm the power of the EU parliament, the only democratically elected EU institution. For in-depth information and starting points to get active visit the software patent page of the FFII (Foundation for a Free Information Infrastructure) and NoSoftwarePatents.com.
  
  Wish us luck, we will need it.

  
  
  Since France and the Netherlands voted NO to the EU wouldn't the effect of any "EU" council vote be mute at best? Just curious!
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 01, 2005 - 10:57 PM

  I think you mean "moot," but its a good question.

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 01, 2005 - 11:09 PM

  They didn't vote no to the EU, but no to the draft of the European constitution. That doesn't mean there is no more Europe, the EU is alive and strong.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 02, 2005 - 06:25 AM

  No. The constitution did not receive the people support only by parliments. Not good. A document of 3 pages functioned during more than 200 years in the USA. The EU must remove some hundreds pages.

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 02, 2005 - 06:56 AM

  yes, but if you ever want a document like the EU constitution to be accepted you can't use a refferendum. Simply because the countries are two different for one single solution to suffice for the whole of Europe.
  
  There are no comparisons to be made at all between Europe and the USA on this matter.
  
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• TMoS
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 02, 2005 - 09:04 AM

  you realy think that constitution - the main law adopted only by parliament can last long?
  
  i think that if such constitution as it is now gona be adopted we will soon see the colapse of EU, or maybe it going to be like former soviet union
  
  constitution must be aproved by the people, and moust of them must to read it, and ofcourse understand
  
  now i realy have big doubts that even 5% have red the EU constitution
  
  it should be about 50 - 100 pages
  
  couse what you realy need in constitution is just fundamental principles:
  
  1) how the government is formed (how EU is going to be ruled)
  2) separation of powers
  3) rights and obligations of EU sitizens
  
  other things must be discused
  
  as we see all social things in this constitution are left for the states themselves, and EU isn't going to interfere into it in the mean time
  
  
  
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  as now all the people in eu is interested in constitution, we realy can lost the battle against patents, couse now we are seeing a little bit of turmoil
  
  so we need to push EU parlament members
  
  have someon of postnuke members contacted their parlament members in EU?
  
  it would be interesting to know what opinion they have about this matter
  
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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 02, 2005 - 09:43 AM

  1. The EU is not a federation - it was created simply as a union of countries with similar trade interests, and has expanded from there into something it wasn't intended to be originally.
  
  2. How many constitutions in effect now were approved by the people? The UK one certainly wasn't.
  
  3. The aim of the constitution was not to create a federation of European countries - that view is completely misplaced. It was simply a document outlining how the partnership should progress in the future.
  
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• TMoS
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 02, 2005 - 10:14 AM

  Simon, have you red constitution yourself?
  
  1.
  
  50 years ago it was just a trade partners
  
  now EU is confederation
  
  and it's just the matter of time then it gona be federation or it is going to colapse in nowaday's world
  
  2.
  as far as i know UK constitution is quite old and consits of several bills so uk dont have one oficial book there is written UK constitution or i am wrong?
  
  and by the way UK constitution is very diferetnt from continental countries constitutions in its form, but the main goals are quite similar
  
  
  moust of central an eastern europe constitutions are adopted by its cityzens in referendum or plebiscit
  
  as i recall france also aproved by people
  
  for example Nethrerland has its constitution as a gift from the king ;)
  
  for example german constitutions is nice and very profesinal made for colicitors, but for normal people is almoust unusabal
  
  3. you realy think so?
  the legislation power almoust completely goes to EU parlament under this constitution
  execution also
  
  and it's also corect to name it future partnership progress
  
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• Slugger
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 09, 2005 - 06:24 AM

  Seems this thread has been hijacked :shock: but I'd like to toss in my thoughts on the EU "Constitution" anyway. :?
  
  The EU was ratified by the people via referendum in Spain and, I believe, in Sweden. I'm far from a scholar on this but I believe that to be the case.
  
  The Constitution would benefit me and many American businesses. For example, I won't do business in Italy because of the difficutly in getting my contracts enforced there. It's much easier to work within a single legal model so, in that respect at least, I'm all for it but, if I were European, I'd be much less convinced.
  
  As for the length of the document. That is a byproduct of serving too many masters and trying to cover too much ground. It's bad news for John Q. Public but great for the lawyers and accountants. I'd be more inclined to think it will fly if it were 50 pages, or less.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 09, 2005 - 11:29 PM

  EU Constitution is a bad planned review. By having countries yesto-countries noto the Content would be even more dificultly Managed by that System,
  Thing that 'loby groups' will benefit for agreing things with their suculent strategies, paralising public interest information , like the software patents,,
  at thing wich came in from the agriculture minister(?)and hasn't had a proper discussion in the parliament with doubtful/dodgy impediments..
  
  getting back to software patents.,, because it really scares me, 'Patent functions?? IT'S MAD!!
  
  How they will afect to postnukeCMS core and modules? i give some examples:
  
  If i improve the pncore by remembering users last login and patent it,(with no bussines intentions), will the PNSF do an ilegal thing by implementing this function on future releases?
  
  if it's a third party module?
  
  
  i detail and register a GPL planned project,
  could someone do my plan and patent/imped me for coding that way in the future?, if that protects so ,,
  should we massively register GPL projects before a 'basmati rice from california' patent strategy hijack the development?
  
  Stallman said in last month conference that the soft patents battle is to be concetrated in europe as in usa is quite complicated,,
  Thanks so much to the Free Software Foundation and others for their non much visible sacrified task trying to persuade the european parliament and his work in the free software implementation in some (european)public administration (like lliurex.org, lafarga.org, typo3, some minister in the polish government..) we can be a bit optimistics..
  
  Anyway, in the end we allways will have the Indian , Brazil, Southafrica, .. examples in not obbeying the criminal patents on AIDS treatment and research..

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  Posted: Jun 11, 2005 - 03:48 AM

  Quote

  "The EPO (European Patent Ofice) has already granted thousands of patents on algorithms and bussiness methods similars to Amazon One click shopping"..
  from swapt.ffii.org

  
  
  pnAmzon, pncommerce, ... eei? ilegals?

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 06, 2005 - 01:34 AM

  The European parliament has rejected software patents:Europarlament daily notebook

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  Posted: Jul 06, 2005 - 03:15 AM

  per 648 dels 729 escons (89%
  dels escons, 95 % dels vots).
  
  there's some light for northamerica!!

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