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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 03:53 AM

  Is this a w3c recommendation - to make the (CSS overflow" scrollbar as ugly as possible and give no possible way to control it's appearance and dimensions?
  

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  <div style="width:200px;height:200px;overflow:auto;">
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed
  diam nonumy eirmod tempor <a href="#">invidunt</a> ut labore et dolore magna
  aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. popup1
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed
  diam nonumy eirmod tempor <a href="#">invidunt</a> ut labore et dolore magna
  aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. popup1
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed
  diam nonumy eirmod tempor <a href="#">invidunt</a> ut labore et dolore magna
  aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. popup1
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed
  diam nonumy eirmod tempor <a href="#">invidunt</a> ut labore et dolore magna
  aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. popup1
  Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consetetur sadipscing elitr, sed
  diam nonumy eirmod tempor <a href="#">invidunt</a> ut labore et dolore magna
  aliquyam erat, sed diam voluptua. popup1
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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:26 AM

  I don't suppose that you could put that into a live example?
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:39 AM

  http://postnuke.co.nz/pn/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
  
  This doesn't look too bad because the background is a light color, but if you have a dark background it looks real nasty
  
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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:41 AM

  Oh, yeah, that could be kind of ugly. There's no altering its appearance at all?
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:50 AM

  Tis a browser thing. I suppose they could make the scroll bars nicer looking, but probably not. I think you can use CSS to colorize the bars. Not sure if it can be done on an individual basis or if it's an all or nothing type thing.
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 04:57 AM

  The CSS styling for scroll bars is specific to IE running on windows only. This is another one of those that's a trade off of look vs usability. The w3c rationale is that it should be down to the platform to render controls (like scroll bars, buttons etc.) rather than the web designer so that each control is rendered exactly as it would be in any other application.
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 05:22 AM

  markwest

  The w3c rationale is that it should be down to the platform to render controls (like scroll bars, buttons etc.) rather than the web designer so that each control is rendered exactly as it would be in any other application.
  

  
  
  Well I don't like this. These scrollbars have a direct bearing on design due to the fact that they have physical dimensions and the potential to hold reasonably prominant positions on the page.
  
  Is this so much different than the form button for example? This is a "control", yet we can manipulate it via CSS. Don't get me wrong - I like the "suggested" standards - yet I find this restrictive. I can, of course make a pretty scrollbar with javascript, yet this would be an unacceptable compromise to accessibility.
  
  Anyway, as I said before I don't like it, but then again I don't like paying taxes or the fact that I have to die one day either...
  
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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 10:44 AM

  Lobos

  why is CSS overflow scrollbar so damn ugly

  
  'cuz its momma was ugly..
  
  
  PS: I couldn't agree more Lobos.. but.. if IE had never supported the tags, we wouldn't know what we're missing.
  
  maybe a dynamic flash movie.. that's what I've been thinking, but then there's flash compliance issues (and a fix?), but then you're trading style for weight.. I kept thinking there has to be a reasonable solution, but I'm really not sure there is one..

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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 10:52 AM

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  PS: I couldn't agree more Lobos.. but.. if IE had never supported the tags, we wouldn't know what we're missing.

  
  
  Or perhaps a proper, widely adoptable standard would have been made possible..... ;)
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 16, 2004 - 11:05 AM

  right you are.. (damnit) .. and you've really got to stop sneaking up on me in mid-edit Mark :)
  
  the real bummer is that MS IE apparently "ruined" the chances for a styled scroll.. I'll just assume that if anyone tried to apply a style to a scroll after MS had done it, there would be legal implications. I could be wrong, but any attempt at connecting Gates to the spawn of Satan and the 7th level of hell is reasonable in my book .. just kidding Billy, I bought a MicroSoft mouse once.
  
  It's probably up to flash and java.. I don't think we'll see scroll colors in CSS.

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