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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 17, 2004 - 10:44 AM

  ... and try linux :)
  
  Before I start is there any advice you guys can give me? ie I am thinking to try redhat, but is there a better package to try (like mandrake, suse, etc). I want will be using it as a dry run for setting up a webserver - kind of an educational excercise if you will...
  
  Look I am a complete noob when it comes to linux, but I really want to give it a go - I have a have my hard drvie partitioned - will 10gig be enough?
  
  Anyway I look forward to hearing your advice and insight on this matter :) (I know there are specialised sites for linux support - but anyway indulge me...
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 17, 2004 - 11:11 AM

  Oooh, great topic. I have been seriously thinking the same thing... I am a noob to Linux as well, but I have heard that SuSE is great from a networking standpoint. Mandrake currently offers a version for AMD 64-bit processors, so that's probably where I'll go.

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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 17, 2004 - 12:27 PM

  My personal choice would be suse but this is a biased one since my job is based around Novell software and Novell now own Suse. Any of the packages you've mentioned would be a good starting point though (i'm by no means an expert though.....).
  
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• MMaynard
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 17, 2004 - 03:32 PM

  Actually I would dive right in with Gentoo and compile a distro from scratch.
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  But like Mark said though, Suse is looking really nice now that it is intergrating with NDS.
  The NLD (Novell Linux Desktop) distro is supposed to be rock solid with the 2.6 kernel too.
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 12:13 AM

  Ok so what distro would I use, the NLD? Or the Enterprise server? Like I said I will be using this as learning curve to gain knowledge in setting up/deploying a web server so what is the best and most secure package for this?
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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 09:38 AM

  The following link can be great resource for getting started with linux! All Free as in Beer!
  
  http://www-106.ibm.c…rks/linux/training/
  
  P.S. Can you still download suse for free?

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 09:46 AM

  Yes, you can download suse for free. I am doing so now - 700MBs of iso file to burn to CD. Going to take most of the night...
  http://www.suse.com/us/private/download/ftp/personal_iso_int.html
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 10:06 AM

  Zoom.

  P.S. Can you still download suse for free?

  
  
  As hammerhead as said it's still free. Novell are taking a long term and very ethical view to open source. They support open source in many different ways not just aquiring companies such as Suse and Ximian but by porting open source projects to netware (apache, PHP, mysql etc.), sponsoring the development of other projects (mono), providing resources for open development (Novell forge) and via membership of various commitees and organisations supporting open standards (e.g w3c, liberty alliance).
  
  
  Anyway - novell sales pitch over... ;)
  
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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 10:08 AM

  Ahh! Thanks Hammerhead, I looked at suse a few months ago when I rebuilt my server at work but couldn't find a free version. I assumed they went to a model like redhat. Anyway I have heard good things about suse so I am excited to test it out.
  
  Also I saw recently on sitepoint that there is a new book on apache out that is supposed to be good. I have found the biggest challenge for me has been finding good info and tutorials on compiling AMP. When I first started with LAMP I used mandrake and all the RPM's provided, but in the end I think its a lot better to compile yourself so you know where everything is, etc... The rpm's are great but in the end I think it costs more in time and effort when you want to tweek something and don't have a clue where to start! So if anyone knows any gem tutorials post them here!

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 10:18 AM

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  Novell are taking a long term and very ethical view to open source

  
  
  Sounds great :)
  
  Being the selfish guy that I am though, as long as it installs fine, runs PHP, MySQL and Apache and I can turn it into a viable weberver I'm happy.
  
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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 10:18 AM

  Also to answer my own question, a nice way to get a feel for what libs and config settings to use when compiling is to look at the bash script used in some of these packaged AMP systems. I got one from typo 3 and used it as a starting piont for learning to compile my own setup! A big help, but know I feel a bit more lost. What is that saying about the more you know?

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• AbraCadaver
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 18, 2004 - 11:21 AM

  Shawn runs Mandrake. Works like a champ, easy install, easy use and nice and polished. The newest version 10.1 is much improved over 10.0. I run it on my home PC and on my laptop.
  
  Having used Redhat in the past I recently tried Fedora 2 and wasn't impressed. I have tried Suse and Debian several times also but settled on Mandrake. Unless I'm mistaken, you don't get much with the free Suse and Debian is a little archaic.
  
  FreeBSD is the bomb for a server platform. If they ever take the desktop installation, usability and eye candy seriously I'll use it on my desktops.
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 07:54 AM

  so you reakon freeBSD if you are going for the server set up, shawn? I don't really care about eyecandy and how good it goes on the desktop, I jsut want something that is secure and a via platform for a commercial type webserver (I plan to be a webhost one day, once I learn how it all works :) I jsut need something to start with that is not going to waste my time, thats why I am looking for the exp. advice.
  
  I appreciate the talk thus far, keep it coming by all means ;)
  
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• AbraCadaver
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 08:53 AM

  My personal opinion is that BSD would be a more stable and higher performing server platform, however the learning curve is probably steeper than Linux and there are probably more learning resources avaialable for Linux. I haven't tried the FreeBSD 5.x versions so they may be much more newbie friendly. My advice would be to load up Mandrake and FreeBSD and play around equally with both and see which you like the best. Either one would be a good platform.
  
  Just some observations: FreeBSD can run Linux binaries (about 99% of them). In the test that I read, FreeBSD ran the Linux apps faster than Linux did. It also can run System V (solaris) and SCO binaries.
  
  For ease of use you'll probably end up with a Linux, but again, I haven't tested the 5.x of FreeBSD. Maybe I'll do that now :)
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Nov 19, 2004 - 10:46 AM

  cool thanks man :) Hmmm I was thinking to use my laptop, but then again I might just get an old p3 or something to play around with ;)
  
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