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Why Choose MD Pro Over PostNuke

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Steffen Voss

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It's a bit sad to see that such an article was written without Mark, Vanessa or any of the other PN team having any input towards the article. Just hope they manage to counter some of 'Dusters' posts. If one is to critique a product or service it needs to be in a professional manner and not perhaps getting into a mud fight.

Shame.

Hanif

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..I won't speak for anyone else, but I think PN can stand well on it's own merits. I've seen times where members of the PN "environment" were forced to deflect certain assumptions or accusations, but it's obviously not the preferred method of passing time.

the PN community is packed with a lot of talent and diversity.. good people. in all of my time spent with this system, I've never known it's contributors to make an attempt to "one up" another system or "sling mud" to achieve a sort of "virtual supremacy".. surely, they could.. but it's just simply not necessary.. we're here because we love it, we code for the same reason..

..take it for what it's worth, but there's really no sense in engaging "heresay".

$0.02
-IR

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And that's why I won't comment on Dusters post - he starts out by saying that it's un-biased and then fills the post with as much bias as one can cram into an article. I feel no need to comment on that kind of writing. Each person can make thier own mind up there. When the mind of the person writing a comparison is already made up there is only one outcome.....

In this thread i've added some links to some (very simple) testing comparing the speed of PN to MD-Pro. In addition PN has features that MDPro doesn't (like mdpro has features PN doesn't) e.g. Support for a variety of mail solutions (mailer module), capability of generating XHTML compliant out.

The roadmap of md-pro seems to suggest that the next step for modue development in mdpro is to use pnHTML as it's output method. This output methodlogy has been made deprecated in PN by the advent of pnRender and having worked with pnRender for about a year now could not imagine myself working with pnHTML again. pnHTML is completely designer unfriendly making it virtually impossible for any designer to modify the layout of a module.

Standards support is absolutely key for expanding the usage into the business, public sector and academic environemnts (in particular the latter two). With accessibility laws and guidelines requiring site adminstrators create fully standards compliant, acessable sites it key that a CMS delivers these standards to be considered a professional grade solution. Neither PN .72x or MDPro deliver on these so I don't, personally, think either of these products can be considered professional grade.

.750 moves a step in the right direction here delivering XHTML compliance and, in some areas of the code, a basic level of accessibility. .8x moves much further removing virtually all tables (apart from those used for tabular data), making full use of the power of CSS and making all markup semantically correct. While this product is not finished yet the code can be checked out from cvs and people can take it for a spin now.

Does maxdev pro really have more developmers - I personally don't know. MDpro has a closed cvs so you can't be certain whose making contributions. There's an often quoted by the mdpro people of 50 developers. I can only guess that this comes from this staff page. If this is the case then 50 'developers' is a bit of a misleading figure. I'd encourage mdpro to become a truly open source project and open up it's cvs for anonymous checkout like PN and virtually all other open source projects do.

I'm confident that we've the quality (more important in my mind than quanity) of people to deliver on those goals. .750 and the changes on postnuke.com (xanthia themes, XHTML compliance) are a reflection of this.

Simply it's not effective to be drawn in to a game of 'my CMS is bigger, better etc.' than yours. I believe that PostNuke as product, a site and a group of people stands on it's own. I encourage every user to look at all other CMS's prior to selecting PN - I did... and i'm happy I made the right choice (at least for me).

-Mark

It would be pointless to compare a sailboat to a powerboat; but, if forced to make a comparison, I'd have to say sailboats work better under power than powerboats work under sail. Does that make a sailboat better? Not if you want to water ski.

Slugger

PS I didn't recognize you IR...You look good but you look different. lol

..I got a hair-cut :wink: ..am I pretty yet?

caffeine molecule

..nice analogy BTW

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I found it more confusing actually - but then, often it isnt hard to do that. Especially at this time of night, which means only one thing - and it isnt the caffine molecule, but another.

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Regards,
Simon

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hmm...

[geek alert]
I thought it was quite funny Slugger.
[/geek alert]

-Chris

Can you spell FUD!!!!

It would appear that Duster doesnt understand that bias is not only created in what is said, but in what is NOT said. i.e PN hacks I don't need in MDP, what about Advantages of Smarty over other display methods?

The article is biased, simply because he doesnt examine negatives and positives from both sides (A 12 year old could tell you that).

Personally, I don't post there because I dont want to enflame the discussion further. Users are quite able to make their own decisions - I chose PostNuke, and personally I wouldn't go to MDPro.

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Simon

itbegins.co.uk - Zikula Consulting

Please read the Support Guide

I know for a fact that they are deleting out some posts in that thread. Guess that is to be expected.

Sorry Mark,
but why you are so angry and so wrong versus MAXdev ??
Please, let me answer some points


And you are right, this is Duster and not MAXdev post, this is a post in forum and not article in news, anyone have freedom to say his opinion and so i think also Duster have all rights to say his opinion, this is not mean opinion of Duster is opinion of all MAXdev.



I don't understand this comparition, why you talk about fast or not fast, when Duster talk about features ?
And anyway you are wrong, how you can know if MD is capable to generate XHTML compliant code or not if we not have released final version? Maybe we release it compliant maybe not, and about mailer module we have it ready from long time, and lot of other things too, but we not have included it in MD 107, that is because 107 is only fixed version of 106 + some new functions/module to let us test them, is not new version, and you are wrong when you compare MD 107 with PN 750, if you want compare it with PN 726, maybe you can compare 1.1 with 750 .... and maybe in future who know, you can compare PN .8 with MD 1.2
And anyways, we are not sure, but if after your test PostNuke is more fast to MD-Pro where is the problem ? ok PN is more fast ... good work man.


Oh .... and what let you think our pnHTML is the same of your pnHTML ?
And ok .... pnHTML is deprecated for you, but in the same way renamed Encompass or Xanthia/Encompass/Nomoreblock/Visual block/Control block or XTE or like you want to call it, is deprecated for us
Do you remember ?
// Xanthialution Content Management System
// Copyright (C) 2002 by the Xanthialution Development Team.
// http://www.envolution.com/// Traduzione Italiana a cura dello staff di Xanthialution.it
// per informazioni o suggerimenti contattate TiMax timax@xanthialution.it
Xanthialution ??? LOL
http://mods.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&thold=-1&mode=flat&order=0&sid=1553#7161

Maybe you can have some suprise soon :)


Do you want to try to say we are liars ?
In staff page you have list with all people with all contacts, some people not be listed because they not want be listed, in our mailing list only last month i can count over 1.000 messages, i don't care if you believe it or not, but please not say or not let believe people we are liars.
And anyways MDStaff page are there because i think it is little way to thanks all people work in MD, and maybe your not but i respect and thanks all members of MD staff a lot.



This is our choice please respect it, thanks.



Sorry, i not understand here, do you want to try to say we are stupid ? or our staff is not composed with quality people ? How you measure quality of people ? with lines of code someone are able to write ?



Here i agree whit you, PN people have his own ideas and follow his way to develope CMS, to manage site, to manage forums etc, MAXdev also, we have our own ideas and follow our way to develope CMS, manage site, forums, etc.
MAXdev people respect PN people, so please, also for you respect MD people
Sorry for my poor english, and not take this my answer like a flame, this is quiet answer only

TiMax

Sorry, but i not have notice or any deletion, if people post in civic way we not delete post and because you know can you tell me where you see post deleted ?

Ahh!!! The irony! :mrgreen: