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  Posted: Jul 13, 2004 - 08:02 PM

  Hi guys,
  
  why are the "commercial" Modules not really accessable from the frontpage in the news ?!
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2004 - 08:21 PM

  Because too many whiners complained about them.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2004 - 08:49 PM

  Thanks for the quick answer.
  
  So is it right then, that on "www.postnuke.com" the commercial Modules are not welcome anymore ?!
  Just to make sure, that no one have to complain once more...
  
  Hartmut

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• vworld
  

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  Posted: Jul 13, 2004 - 09:00 PM

  This issue is consistently raised and answered. You can get the entire picture by reading the following article: http://news.postnuke…le=article&sid=2562
  
  FAQ:
  
  "·  If I have a commercial product how can I advertise it to the PostNuke community?
  
  As an Open Source, all volunteer project, we encourage you to give back to the community. We have provided a Commercial Scripts/Themes category on each sub-site to accomodate your posts. Note the posts will not be appear on the main page but is included in all PostNuke searches.
  
  Another way to reach the community is by posting articles of interest which in turn will provide you, your company or your products/services with an opportunity to highlight your expertise within the subject area. Do you have a good article about a project you've been working on? Did you create a special tutorial you think others would be interested in learning about? These are just a couple of ideas and we're sure you can think of many more. Also, be sure when posting an article of interest to provide a short bio about yourself highlighting your accomplishments and services.
  
  Note in the future we hope to provide a way for professional developers and designers to promote their products and services to the right audience interested in your commercial services/products. Stay tuned for more detailed informaton to follow in the next few months."
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 12:13 AM

  I think Commercial Developers of Modules/Themes and Blocks get the full picture only too well, if not they only need to look at their decline in sales...
  
  The effect of this is going to be a very bad one for Postnuke too though as already Commercial Developers are concentrating on greener pastures like PHP-Nuke, MD-Pro, Mamba and so forth, at least these other CMS's publish Commercial announcements and news stories, many are also offering paid advertising.
  
  We ourselves will be halting all development for Postnuke if the above situation does not change (we don't plan on staying tuned for any more months simply because we cannot afford to), after all what's the point of investing so much time, money and effort in supporting a CMS which does not appreciate or encourage Commercial Developers and goes belly up in submission when a few non-contributing trouble makers whine about commercialism?
  
  A CMS without a keen interest in e-Commerce and commercial third party development is going to look very bland, matter of fact it will go the way of the dinosaurs in favour of more far sighted CMS's.
  
  Without Commercial announcements and news stories being allowed on the main pages and via RSS feeds no Commercial developer will see the point in posting to areas of postnuke.com where their posts are hidden and so development will be pointless.
  
  Should any Commercial developers of modules/themes or blocks reading this agree then please do contact us via the contact form on our website with a view of accessing options/strategies.
  
  Barry & Serg
  
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  vworld

  This issue is consistently raised and answered. You can get the entire picture by reading the following article: http://news.postnuke…le=article&sid=2562
  
  FAQ:
  
  "· If I have a commercial product how can I advertise it to the PostNuke community?
  
  As an Open Source, all volunteer project, we encourage you to give back to the community. We have provided a Commercial Scripts/Themes category on each sub-site to accomodate your posts. Note the posts will not be appear on the main page but is included in all PostNuke searches.
  
  Another way to reach the community is by posting articles of interest which in turn will provide you, your company or your products/services with an opportunity to highlight your expertise within the subject area. Do you have a good article about a project you've been working on? Did you create a special tutorial you think others would be interested in learning about? These are just a couple of ideas and we're sure you can think of many more. Also, be sure when posting an article of interest to provide a short bio about yourself highlighting your accomplishments and services.
  
  Note in the future we hope to provide a way for professional developers and designers to promote their products and services to the right audience interested in your commercial services/products. Stay tuned for more detailed informaton to follow in the next few months."

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 12:19 AM

  Agreed. It was a baffling choice then, and the project continues to suffer now because of choices like these. We were told there would be an alternative to the commercial postings, but I've yet to see an announcement regarding this (though I've quite possibly missed it as my attention is slowly drawing away from PN).

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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 11:17 AM

  This ground has been covered and it is no use complaining about it as you will be ignored or banned from Postnuke. I bought this issue up with pnManagement and was basically told the decision was final and if I didn't like it to go elsewhere.
  
  My advice; stop wasting your time and use your energies to explore options other than Postnuke for your commercial endeavours - as stated above, there are plenty of other opensource projects that encourage commercial deveopers and commercial plugins.
  
  Only my 2 cents....
  
  PS: It has always amazed me that many of the those against "the war on commercial" are "pnProfessionals", ie those that seem to contribute most to support and many other areas of Postnuke. I find this alarming as they are the backbone of Postnuke, and in my opinion disagreement between the "pnProfessionals" and pnManagement bodes bad tidings for the Postnuke Project....
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 11:57 AM

  I have seeked many other CMS and Carts for designing simply to expand the board, but PN has alot of great attributes which other CMS lack, the designing functions for some are lacking so much that exploring the limits of them is real quick, thus limiting your client or the designer to a theme's potential.
  
  Auto Theme has made this possible for some of the major CMS players... Xanthia is on the rise but I havent tested enough to opinionate. I think the theme.php was great but lacked alot for theme extensability, I dont know a whole lot of PHP but when I can picture a design in my head and the CMS or Cart wont allow me to do that thats simple limitations which deter me from that freesource, opensource CMS or cart. In the end the client loses
  
  Many CMS have alot of abilities in there own backend, which I have looked into and work great you can make sub pages for other associated companies all on one TLD and admin backend, not sub domains needed, this is simplicity for Clients who want ability to manage all from one admin without special mods, so the options are there but this CMS is small and quite limited as far as plugin or mod dev.
  
  So now as a theme designer, AT has saved time and cost for client and myself Xanthia again, I havent tested extensively.
  
  Back to Commercial postings :)
  I do agree with some posts and submissions should be passed or deleted, regardless which product good or bad, I think if the devs and designer keep with the code of "ETHICS" they wouldnt have to worry, when users start to abue the posting or submission ability then thier posts should be banned indefinite and the sitename and or products associated with it.
  
  I see some users already abusing it and making money off others work, "THIS IS WHERE PN STEPS IN", if you choose to promote your post when its others work or commercial product this users should not have ability to post.
  
  Again I dont see this as policing, I see it as "ETHICS"
  
  Dont bite the hand that feeds you
  
  Only my lil opinion, but its so rational ...ain't it?

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 12:04 PM

  PostNuke most definitly does support Comercial developments, unfortunatly some have whined enough about them being given prominant space on the main sites and pushing free stuff off, so the rash policy was implemented with out any input from the community, then when it was asked for, it was done in an ineffecient manner, and the results were not conclusive enough for them to decide to over turn the decison.
  
  There IS a comercial site in the works, I am working on it, unfortunatly I have not had a lot of time free to work on it a lot and when I did there were other road blocks I had to deal with as well that slowed things down.
  
  I will probably be surveying some of the comercial developers about some things and how they think things should be done there soon.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 12:17 PM

  Sounds great
  
  I Think and Ethics policy should be in place regardless, hard for me to see why PN would want to promote someones site selling others stuff??
  
  I havent posted anything for about 6 months, havent even tried, I simply been watching how far the users would go with commercial products and I seen one site go against all ethics and then the slam came down, this is good in my eyes.
  
  There still needs to be standards even if its a total commercial site

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 08:47 PM

  Hi Lobos,
  
  Well, seeing as I only just found out about the commercial ban a few days ago when I submitted an announcement, you will have to forgive but this is all news to me still :)
  
  It's now apparent that the decision was one that was made without having considered the short and especially the long term effects, that this would have upon Postnuke, everyone makes mistakes and it's not impossible by any means to reverse this one.
  
  While the loss of one Commercial developer can be swallowed, the departure of all Commercial developers would be a severe blow for Postnuke and I predict it would not recover.
  
  Not only would the Commercial modules, themes and blocks cease to be developed or even sold, but also many of these developers have created many free themes/modules/blocks/tutorials and these would nolonger be developed or made available.
  
  I do agree with MaSsIVE's posts below that a compromise can be reached regarding the publishing of Commercial announcements and news stories, also that the axe needs to be brought down firmly on trouble makers and the unethical.
  
  Bottom line, I think it's our duty as Commercial developers and Postnuke users to give resolving this matter our best shot before it's too late, after all, in the end we are Postnuke users too.
  
  I think we need a Commercial developers club, if anyone reading this is up for it please do contact me.
  
  Sincerely,
  
  Barry
  
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  http://www.cmsmerchant.com
  
  
  

  Lobos

  This ground has been covered and it is no use complaining about it as you will be ignored or banned from Postnuke. I bought this issue up with pnManagement and was basically told the decision was final and if I didn't like it to go elsewhere.
  
  My advice; stop wasting your time and use your energies to explore options other than Postnuke for your commercial endeavours - as stated above, there are plenty of other opensource projects that encourage commercial deveopers and commercial plugins.
  
  Only my 2 cents....
  
  PS: It has always amazed me that many of the those against "the war on commercial" are "pnProfessionals", ie those that seem to contribute most to support and many other areas of Postnuke. I find this alarming as they are the backbone of Postnuke, and in my opinion disagreement between the "pnProfessionals" and pnManagement bodes bad tidings for the Postnuke Project....
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 22, 2004 - 09:00 PM

  Agreed MaSsIVE.
  
  With regards,
  
  Barry
  
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  MASsIVE

  Sounds great
  
  I Think and Ethics policy should be in place regardless, hard for me to see why PN would want to promote someones site selling others stuff??
  
  I havent posted anything for about 6 months, havent even tried, I simply been watching how far the users would go with commercial products and I seen one site go against all ethics and then the slam came down, this is good in my eyes.
  
  There still needs to be standards even if its a total commercial site

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 23, 2004 - 02:27 AM

  Okay, you can discuss the issue of the comercial announcements, fine, but let's leave the personal attacks out of here. If you're refering to whom I think you are CMSM, he doesn't have access to these forums anymore to defend himself, so calling him in to question is not fair, not to mention, if I'm right, "someone else" has his site and news from his site on thier own site, so I don't think they have an issue with it.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 23, 2004 - 03:03 AM

  Hi Mhalbrook,
  
  I was yes, but as he isn't here I've drastically edited my post.
  
  With regards,
  
  Barry
  
  cmsMerchant
  Postnuke e-Commerce Solution/Membership Module
  http://www.cmsmerchant.com
  
  

  mhalbrook

  Okay, you can discuss the issue of the comercial announcements, fine, but let's leave the personal attacks out of here. If you're refering to whom I think you are CMSM, he doesn't have access to these forums anymore to defend himself, so calling him in to question is not fair, not to mention, if I'm right, "someone else" has his site and news from his site on thier own site, so I don't think they have an issue with it.

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jul 23, 2004 - 11:09 AM

  mhalbrook

  PostNuke most definitly does support Comercial developments...

  
  
  At this time, PostNuke most definitely does NOT support commercial development. It is not treated the same way as non-commercial development.
  
  When you actually have something implemented, then you can talk about it, not until then.

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