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  Posted: Jun 07, 2004 - 10:55 AM

  I agree that this is not the place to announce releases and I understand that doing such can make it confusing to find the information you need when doing a search.
  
  The trouble is that with the prohibition of commercial posts on the news sites, commercial developers do not have any outlet to notify the public of new commercial releases. This is a problem for me, and I am sure many others - how do we advertise our stuff? I have no problem with paying for advertising and would do such if there was somewhere to advertise.
  
  As stated many times before; the Postnuke Administration is very thankfull of the qualtiy support 3rd party theme developers offer the community at large, but strangly, they seem unwilling to give these developers an outlet to notify the community of their products. It is understood that this is a very difficult issue to overcome because some help more than others and many that don't help at all would probably abuse the system.
  
  Maybe we could open a special forum category for commercial posts, maybe the only people that could post in this forum would be those that hold at least "pnHelper" status (ie those who have demonstrated their contribution to supporting the community). This in effect would give an incentive to help out, but would create problems in it's self because people could start posting crap to get their "posts" up. Even then there could be some kind of review board that had the power to give rights to advertise under strict rules and guidelines...
  
  These are just some suggestions and I trust that Postnuke Management will sort this out in the end.
  
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  Posted: Jun 10, 2004 - 11:47 PM

  Good points Lobos. I agree.

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 01:46 AM

  If they're not allowing them in the news site, which I still say is the wrong decision and an overall bad one for PostNuke, then why would we allow them in the forums? Ads of any type, free or paid, are no longer to be placed in the forum, period. Setting aside a special place in the forums would do no good, and more people would complain about that, and justifiably so, than have complained, unjustified, about them in the news site. I have gotten and read enough complaints about even freebie ads in the forums that this move was nessecary. Existing posts will be left alone, so long as there isn't artificial bumping of the posts going on, but any new ones will be removed.
  
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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 02:20 AM

  It's my understanding that a final decision hasn't been made on this by pnMGMT Michael. At least there hasn't been any closure on the discussion that I'm aware of.
  
  I don't see what harm a new forum catagory will do. As I said before, if you don't want to look at it, you don't have to. I personally feel it's time we stop treating our commercial developers like pariahs.

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 02:54 AM

  Spire2000

  It's my understanding that a final decision hasn't been made on this by pnMGMT Michael. At least there hasn't been any closure on the discussion that I'm aware of.

  
  Sounded to me like it's a closed discussion.
  
  

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  I don't see what harm a new forum catagory will do.

  
  
  1. It further dilutes the already virtually worthless search function.
  2. It goes around the established process for announcing new releases, namely http://mods.postnuke.com.
  3. It will create more headaches for us as moderators who will have to deal with the same flames here that we have to put up with on the news sites. At least here, yes we can remove them, but we shouldn't even give them the fodder.
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 06:00 AM

  Warwick, that was uncalled for and has been moved to the review bin. This decision is in line with the purpose of these forums and has been under discussion before I posted this, or at least open to the discussion of the moderators before I posted it.
  
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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 10:56 AM

  I was merely relaying the info as it was related to me by your PN management - called for or no :)

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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 11, 2004 - 07:12 PM

  The forums are for support, and support only. It is not the purpose of these forums to give a platform to module or theme developers to advertise their products.
  
  However, prohibiting commercial announcements without providing the alternative immediately is not necessarily great planning. My opinion is that a temporary solution should be reached (that does not involve these forums) until the seperate site can be established.
  
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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 12, 2004 - 05:38 PM

  Hello all,
  
  Actually on thinking more about this I have come to the conclusion that it will be impossible to have any commercial outlet tied to Postnuke.com in light of the recent policy changes. I hear talk of the creation of another site to cater for commercial interests, but how will this be different from the old system that caused so much outrage and controvesy? If people need to pay for advertising, who gets the money? The only fair thing to do would be to give all proceeds to charity as no other entity really has a right to benefit other than every single person that has ever contributed in any way to Postnuke - a definite administrative nightmare.
  
  In my opinion the best thing to do is forget about it, there is nothing anyone but those who initiated the policy in the first place can do about it and their position is perfectly clear.
  
  I would however like to see that the posting guidelines be adhered to, especially concerning my news post here: http://themes.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=809
  
  If this sort of thing keeps happening I will stop posting my news at Postnuke - just like many other people that I know who are sick of this kind of shit. I have explained to the parties concerned about this numerous times and all it comes down to now is a blatent attempt to undermine my integrity and that of Webvida. I wish the editors would show the same enthusiasim in wiping these comments as they do with comments not agreeable to their own agendas...
  
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  Posted: Jun 13, 2004 - 12:03 AM

  Yup. I agree 100 percent. It would also be nice of news posts were actually approved and posted on a more timely basis. Its amazing that a forum post can be locked or deleted within 5 minutes if one of the mods don't like the content, but it takes 48 yours for a news post to be approved.

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 13, 2004 - 10:11 AM

  I've long said that news releases should NOT allow comments, period. If it's an announcement on news. that merits discussion, then a matching thread should be opened and the news topic point to the thread. Releases no discussion should be allowed on to prevent people from doing what has happened often time.
  
  As to the speed of moderaton vs. news approvals, we have more moderators than news admins.
  
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  Posted: Jun 13, 2004 - 03:21 PM

  Lobos

  Hello all,
  
  Actually on thinking more about this I have come to the conclusion that it will be impossible to have any commercial outlet tied to Postnuke.com in light of the recent policy changes. I hear talk of the creation of another site to cater for commercial interests, but how will this be different from the old system that caused so much outrage and controvesy? If people need to pay for advertising, who gets the money? The only fair thing to do would be to give all proceeds to charity as no other entity really has a right to benefit other than every single person that has ever contributed in any way to Postnuke - a definite administrative nightmare.
  
  In my opinion the best thing to do is forget about it, there is nothing anyone but those who initiated the policy in the first place can do about it and their position is perfectly clear.
  

  
  
  Nice to hear your opinion on this Lobos. I agree.
  I think it was you that asked in another thread, "where am I supposed to advertise?" I think it was you..
  Advertise like you did when you first got started. Give some away and hope users spread the word about the cool themes you create. Just like word has always spread on these sites about all other pnRelated goods.
  
  
  

  Lobos

  
  I would however like to see that the posting guidelines be adhered to, especially concerning my news post here: http://themes.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=809
  
  If this sort of thing keeps happening I will stop posting my news at Postnuke - just like many other people that I know who are sick of this kind of shit. I have explained to the parties concerned about this numerous times and all it comes down to now is a blatent attempt to undermine my integrity and that of Webvida. I wish the editors would show the same enthusiasim in wiping these comments as they do with comments not agreeable to their own agendas...
  
  Kindest regards
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  I disagree with you here. I don't think overall, its about you at all. That one person maybe...
  This problem IMHO, is one of those ugly sides to bringing money into the equation. Like it or not, when you charge for something, there's more to it than just supporting it. You open yourself up to scrutiny. As we've seen..
  
  Before everyone was picking on the "businessmen" around here, most provided feedback for newly released themes, blocks and mods. The feedback made the product better and the products made our sites better.
  
  Add the money factor into the haves and have nots and you got trouble.
  
  I do agree there should be a way to edit or remove comments to news that need moderating though, there isn't really. I posted at the NOC requests over a year ago asking for something like this.
  
  Disabling comments all together is just plain wrong. This is a community not a morning newspaper.
  
  My 2

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• Lobos
  
  

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  Posted: Jun 13, 2004 - 07:38 PM

  Infopro

  
  I disagree with you here. I don't think overall, its about you at all. That one person maybe...
  This problem IMHO, is one of those ugly sides to bringing money into the equation. Like it or not, when you charge for something, there's more to it than just supporting it. You open yourself up to scrutiny. As we've seen..
  

  
  I would agree to disagree myself, that is, if we were talking about a commercial post, but this was a free post sharing valuable information to the Postnuke community. In fact my last two posts have been concerned with FREE information for the community. Both times I have been attacked personally, with comments that have no place in the public arena, concerning issues that are better suited to being sorted out privately.
  

  Infopro

  
  Disabling comments all together is just plain wrong. This is a community not a morning newspaper.
  

  
  I do not think it's good when any Joe Blogs can wander into Postnuke.com and plant disparaging remarks in the comments of legitimate posts - remarks that have not and cannot be verified with any hope of accuracy. This sort of thing damages peoples personal reputations and should not be tolarated.
  
  It is noted that those in charge have at times disabled the comments on their own posts when public sentimate has been perceived as going "against the grain". Why can't we all have this option?
  
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  Posted: Jun 14, 2004 - 12:33 AM

  It is a fact that MOST of the "comments" are not really of any value. When you look at comments like the one Lobos referenced, you can really see the worst side of the comments function. On the other hand though, there are comment threads that are of real value to users. I recall a comments thread from a couple of months ago where a certain duo selling an ecommerce package for $99 were exposed as SOBs selling a buggy product. I only wish I'd found that thread before I threw away a wad of cash.
  
  Wouldn't it be possible to reassign one of the Delete/Lock/Move moderator zealots to policing the comments? I can think of one moderator that would be absolutely giddy lording over the comment threads.
  
  * waits for this thread to be deleted *

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  Posted: Jun 14, 2004 - 03:27 AM

  Ha ha!
  
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