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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 04:22 PM

  Has anyone ever made a webalizer mod that you can quick read from the admin panel of postnuke? If not, I sure would be interested and happy if someone made one.
  
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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 11:11 AM

  No, no one has made a webalizer mod for PN. There are some drawbacks to using webalizer. These are discussed in the "Statistics Doc" on the main menu of the http://www.mtrad.com site.
  
  While there, you can check out the Statistics module, which is a replacement for the Stats module. It does many of the things that you might be looking for....

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 11:28 AM

  Having finally gotten around to installing the Stats module, it is clear that you have put an 'equisite' amount of energy into it.
  
  My only drawback is that of all of the Webalizer output, the one thing which I found most useful was the search terms people used to get to my site. This is slightly different to the summary of search terms used on the site. Having that webalizer output gives me a leg-up when targetting audiences.
  
  Any input CRS?

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 12:16 PM

  Namtrak

  ... the one thing which I found most useful was the search terms people used to get to my site.

  
  
  1. Go to www.mtrad.com.
  2. Click on "Statistics (Our Module)"
  3. Check the box in front of "List of [Top Ten] External Referrers".
  4. Optionally, change [Top Ten] to more if you want.
  5. Click on Submit
  
  This gives you a list of the pages that caused them to come to your site. I usually use this to find Google and Yahoo searches used to come to my site.
  
  If you have some specific URL's used to link to your site from other places, you can also run the "Page Requests" subreport to get that list.
  
  You will probably find out more by either trying the demo on www.mtrad.com or by loading it on your PN site and checking the results. There is very little that cannot be done with the Statistics module.

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 12:37 PM

  Thanks CRS
  
  Webalizer is still able to provide a particular level of detail, which I 'm not sure an internal stats modules can replicate.
  
  http://www.mrunix.ne…9905.html#TOPSEARCH
  
  Actually provides the search strings used to find a site. Whereas the referrers, only provides details of the search engine they came from. If I remember correctly MrUnix at webalizer provided a number of regex's which stripped out the standard search engines, and I think (it's been a few years) third party users were adding additional regex's for more obtuse search engines.

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 01:24 PM

  Awstats along with PostWrap.
  
  http://awstats.sourceforge.net/
  
  or Webalizer along with PostWrap
  
  I prefer Awstats over all domain stats though.
  
  CRS..
  I never got your email with the new version.
  
  Can you shoot it over to me please
  webmaster at mpiii dot com
  
  Thanks

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 01:48 PM

  At the end of the day I would prefer a CRS solution, however I would be interested in looking at an example of Awstats with Postwrap if you have an example?

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 03:11 PM

  Namtrak

  Thanks CRS
  
  Webalizer is still able to provide a particular level of detail, which I 'm not sure an internal stats modules can replicate.

  
  Actually, the statistics module provides more usable details than the Webalizer can provide. Webalizer can't provide accurate user or visit statistics. It also can't categorize statistics by PN module. Nor list site searches using the PN Search module...
  
  But it can tell you how many gif files were downloaded from your server. (If that's important to you. :) )
  
  

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  Actually provides the search strings used to find a site. Whereas the referrers, only provides details of the search engine they came from.
  

  
  You have mixed up the core Referers module with the Statistics module from www.mtrad.com. The Statistics module tracks the full query and not just where it came from.
  
  If you looked at the example I provided above, you'll see that all of the data that webalizer provides is also provided by the statistics module. Albeit, not as cleaned up as with webalizer.
  

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  If I remember correctly MrUnix at webalizer provided a number of regex's which stripped out the standard search engines, and I think (it's been a few years) third party users were adding additional regex's for more obtuse search engines.

  
  I looked at the sample conf file provided with webalizer. If you are interested, you can add the same regex's to the statistics module and get the same output. And in v6, it's pretty easy to add a new subreport...

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 03:19 PM

  3DTheory

  Awstats along with PostWrap.....or Webalizer along with PostWrap
  
  I prefer Awstats over all domain stats though.

  
  The problem with Awstats and Webalizer is that they try to estimate what constitutes a unique "visit". They need to estimate because they don't have access to the info that actually identifies a visit. So, the visit and visitor statistics are much more accurate from the statistics module than from Awstats or Webalizer.
  
  And, for the same reason, they can't report on PN-specific stuff such as PN user names or PN searches. So, there really is a difference.
  

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  CRS..
  I never got your email with the new version.
  

  
  Yeah, v6d went out late last night and I forgot to add you. I'll send it out tonight when I get home. Finally got translation/localization nailed. And you'll appreciate the subreport setup.

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 05:14 PM

  ColdRolledSteel

  
  .....Webalizer can't provide accurate user or visit statistics. It also can't categorize statistics by PN module. Nor list site searches using the PN Search module...
  
  You have mixed up the core Referers module with the Statistics module from www.mtrad.com. The Statistics module tracks the full query and not just where it came from.
  
  If you looked at the example I provided above, you'll see that all of the data that webalizer provides is also provided by the statistics module. Albeit, not as cleaned up as with webalizer.
  

  
  
  
  Not wishing to be pedantic, but for the life of me I can't find the search strings in the results returned by the External Referrers within the Statistics module.

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 05:54 PM

  Namtrak

  Not wishing to be pedantic, but for the life of me I can't find the search strings in the results returned by the External Referrers within the Statistics module.

  
  Okay, try this:
  
  1. Go to www.mtrad.com.
  2. Click on "Statistics (Our Module)"
  3. Set the Start Date to "2004-04-19"
  4. Set the End Date to "2004-04-19"
  3. Check the box in front of "List of [Top Ten] External Referrers".
  4. Change [Top Ten] to [All].
  5. Click on Submit
  
  You'll get a list of about 23 entries. (I can't say exactly because someone might get in during the next hour and add more...) You'll see that there are at least 4 different references to google and one to msn.com. This is the exact same info that webalizer reports on.
  
  Obviously, it would be helpful for you if we added a subreport that filtered the list of 23 references down to the 5 search engine references. (And now that I saw how webalizer did it, I can certainly add a sub-report that does exactly that.)
  
  But I kind of like to know about the other references to my site that are not just searches. You can see that many of them are actually forum discussions. I like to know when folks are discussing my website...
  
  Does that make sense now?

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  Posted: Apr 19, 2004 - 06:16 PM

  Okay thats great. Now with these two links for example, I could prepare a sub-report which would clear out the URL and leave search terms if I use the correct regular expressions?
  
  
  http://www.google.co…n&lr=&ie=ISO-8859-1
  
  May return: importing HTML into postnuke
  
  
  http://www.google.co…stnuke+stats+module
  
  May return: postnuke stats module

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  Posted: Apr 20, 2004 - 04:24 AM

  Namtrak

  Okay thats great. Now with these two links for example, I could prepare a sub-report which would clear out the URL and leave search terms if I use the correct regular expressions?
  

  
  That's it exactly. And you could still keep the underlying link so that if someone clicked on "postnuke stats module", it would take them to that search page so that they could see what the user saw when they chose to come to mtrad.com...
  
  If you're interested in writing the sub-report, it would be best to start with the external referers report and modify it. It's pretty straight-forward. If you're really interested in doing it, then I would suggest doing it with v6, as the sub-reports are easier to customize. And if you really come up with something, I would include it in the public release of v6. So... if you want a beta copy of v6, send me an email to crs at mtrad dot com.

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  Posted: Apr 21, 2004 - 03:43 AM

  Hi CRS
  Can u advise when V6 will be available for download.
  
  
  
  Regards
  
  
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  Posted: Apr 21, 2004 - 06:58 PM

  mgarcia001

  Can u advise when V6 will be available for download.
  

  
  I don't suppose "It will be ready when it's ready." is a good enough answer?
  
  Actually, I expect that the next public release will probably be at least 2 weeks away. The current version has no outstanding issues but I have two tasks left to do: Scaling/performance testing and tweaking. And I have to update the README.html. So, I'd like it to be done sooner but I have a really killer deadline that is eating up all my time so I have to be patient...
  
  BTW, someone was offered to implement the search engine subreport so if they get it done in time, we'll include it in the next public release.
  
  And I found what Advstats uses to determine country based on ip address, so as soon as I have a little time, we'll have that subreport as well.
  
  Lastly, we've got the French translation and I'm waiting on translations for Spanish, Dutch and Danish... If anyone else wants a beta copy of v6 so that they can translate it, send me email to crs at mtrad dot com.

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