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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 07:53 AM

  Been around the community for a couple of years. Seen the state of the downloads of existing mods/blocks/themes go from zip to rather robust and back again. Seen at least one other attempt to set up a "hotscripts" style PN-module site.
  
  this may be redundant and no longer relevant, but I got tired of hunting for stuff so I registered pndownloads.com
  
  it isn't up yet. it doesn't even have to be a nuke site, but i would like a place where there is a very long and deep list of modules, including old versions, hacks, the works. scads of themes, every block ever deployed or shared with the public.
  
  tentatively, i will be setting up a non-login-required download area, so hit and run is ok (i must have signed up with 150 PN sites in the past 3 years! just to get a download) but with some security so the files can't just be leeched.
  
  The hosting will be on ev1servers stupid-fast 14 separate gigabit feed data center. I have 5 dedicateds including a dual xeon and over 4 terabytes of bandwidth. I may stick up a paypal donate button and/or a small unobtrusive ad or two but the idea is a fast, robust repo for people to congegrate and grow into a useful resource for the community...my way of giving back.
  
  Suggestions are welcome.
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 09:34 AM

  Steve,
  
  You may want to want to consider working with the pnCorps team as we have a project there to create a repository of postnuke modules, blocks and themes. The pnCorps team will be devevloping the basic outline and structure as well as populating the database while i'll be developing the code based on thier outline.
  
  The problem in past has been a single person attempting such a project so it would be worth working with the pncorps team to achieve such an aim.
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 09:46 AM

  The pnCorps are currently working on developing a Module Repository module to implement here (provided the powers that be allow it to be used when it's done).
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 09:47 AM

  Okay, so Mark beat me too it. THat's what happens when you use FireFox and open all the new topics in new tabs, then go and do something else and come back lol
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 10:59 AM

  mhalbrook

  Okay, so Mark beat me too it. THat's what happens when you use FireFox and open all the new topics in new tabs, then go and do something else and come back lol

  
  In the old days we used to refer to this as "operator trouble" - now we just blame it on Firefox? <very evil="evil" grin="grin">
  
  All kidding aside Michael - I am *very* pleased that you and Mark are collaborating on this project!:)
  
  Warm Regards,
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 04:33 PM

  What's the timing? weeks? months? perhaps I can serve as a collection mechanism, or a mirror. should have the site up and ready to take on files/links etc in a day or so.

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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 04:49 PM

  We're still plotting it out. Feel Free to come over to pnCorps.net and register.
  
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• manarak
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 11:44 PM

  Try to work as a real repositiory, meaning hosting the files themselves (and not just links) and keeping older versions of stuff, for ppl running older PNversions.
  
  I remember some modules just disappeared from internet, impossible to find them, and links were dead.

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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 16, 2004 - 11:58 PM

  To deal with the hosting issue of files themselves we have noc.postnuke.com.... The modules repository should contain a link to the modules NOC project and third party developers encouraged to use this resource such that should a module become un-maintained the resources could be easily transferred to another developer willing to continue the development.
  
  Clearly this won't happen with all modules but it should be actively encouraged.....
  
  In fact thinking about things further should our modules repository consist of creating NOC projects for each module in the community even if the project only contains the latest download of the module with a project annoucnement offering the module for adoption.....
  
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• manarak
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 12:20 AM

  Dear Mark
  
  I don't remember ever having trouble to retrieve files of a bigger PN Module project - That is why I do not think the NOC will do trick:
  
  - First, many modules and hacks, as you said, never get to the status of "project". Their author just publishes a link for the download on the PN forum or publishes the code snippets directly as I do for my mini-contribs.
  Many modules and hacks are not even PNApi-compliant.
  
  - Then you alos have to consider that many hacks and modules will not be worked on anymore by their author, because the code does the trick at the time it was needed. Finally, the download link will not be available anymore, and the module disappears.
  
  - Third, the repositiory is not meant to be a way for module developers to publish their modules, but a way for PN site owners to find modules. This means that the site will need to be maintained, at least to check for malicious code inside the uploaded files.
  
  This means that the costs will probably be a big problem. I also thought about making a repository, but I failed to find a reliable source of income. Of course I could just have everybody pay 1 buck a month through paypal or something, but it would probably upset many. Still, a source of income would have to be found to pay for the traffic.

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 05:21 AM

  Personally, I do not believe a complete "file repository" hosted under the auspices of PostNuke.com or anyone else will ever come about. In the early days of PN there were many attempts to do so privately - they are all now gone. Remember, that is also exactly what mods.postnuke.com originally started out as - and later evolved into more of an information resource rather than a file resource.
  
  Authors of most of the more complex modules tend to have their own site which displays a demonstration of its functionality and serves as the spot for its latest versions - modifications and hacks to it. Several such projects which come to mind are CE (Now XExpress), PageEd (plus pnTresMailer & Nubel), Pagesetter & Photoshare, it goes on ad-infinitum. Each makes use of the PostNuke core and offers their own path for downloads either directly from their site, via sorceforge and so forth.
  
  I believe dynamically driven "Information Repository" or resource list (with necessary info to actually be useful such as API Compliance, commercial or not, and which version of PN it works with) would be good for the community. There should be periodic validation of the "list" to handle out-dated info and broken links.
  
  How many times do you see a user asking "does anybody know of a module that will _______' (fill in the blank). A fairly up to date resource of information - (who, what, where, when, whither) - would certainly be a valuable service for them.
  
  Just my opinion,
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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 05:37 AM

  I am agreed completley with Dave there - and some people like having the traffic to download modules hitting their site to, and wouldn't take kindly to sticking them all in once central place!
  
  Which reminds me - another thing to add to the design specs for pnDirectory, a support link field.
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 05:39 AM

  Manarak, you say that the NOC isn't the best solution, then you go on to give many reasons why it would be.
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 05:41 AM

  I run my modules on my site, but I host the files on the NOC, I get traffic for support and I get a count of downloads both through my site and on the NOC, so I don't see how having the files themseleve on the NOC really counter that though Simon.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 17, 2004 - 06:19 AM

  <tee hee="hee">
  With several others, I was one of Neo's earliest testers of the NOC before it was placed on-line. Believe me - I wasn't "taking a shot" at the NOC - I *like* the fact that such a place is readily available to module developers where they can take advantage of several very nice "tools" without having to host them on their own. It is a great place and I really wish environments like that had been there when I was operating with titles like software engineer.
  
  All I was trying to point out that having a "complete" file repository there probably isn't feasable. I am certain that those authors who do make use of the NOC for their projects find it very valuable - and it sure is handy for guys like me to grab the latest copy of your own excellent work! ;)
  http://noc.postnuke.com/projects/halbrooktech/
  
  Conversely - are you aware that the link on the opening page of the NOC that says "Global Catalog of pnNOC Projects" is broken and has been for a long time? http://noc.postnuke.com/catalog/ = PAGE NOT FOUND but there is no mailto link on that page to report the problem.
  
  It is a lot harder to "find things" on the NOC without that list - particularly those like yours which have fallen off the opening page's "radar" (Top Downloas/Most Active). Anybody know who I eMail to report this? Enough said.
  
  Warm Regards,
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