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• Slugger
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 06:23 AM

  I've been supportive of a "pay to play" policy for commercial modules. Not so much as to be prohibitive to those starting out on a shoestring but something--perhaps what they're going to charge registered postnuke.com users. For example, they're asking $14.95 per sale, charge them $14.95 to promote plus a micro fee per click-thru. That's only one sale for them to break even, hardly a burden, and the click-fee levels the playing field for popular products. It would also "encourage" them to remove an offer if they stop selling a product or service.
  
  Further, it appears we are no longer allowed to post comments on PayPal-type modules. At least that is the case on the pnMerchant announcement. I think that is bad policy. This is a community site. Community to me means interaction and, while the bitching about commercial products is getting old, I do appreciate the feedback and opportunity for testimonials about a commercial product/service. After all, if this is not a trusted resource for such information, where is a Postnuker supposed to go?
  
  These are just ideas and my opinions. Hopefully they will stimulate something constructive because this issue is long overdue for a formal policy that makes sense to both the sellers of commercial products/services and to the PN community, at large.
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 06:30 AM

  Such a policy is being discussed within the pnCorps. I don't know that pay for listing is nessecarily the way to go, maybe pay for a listing to appear on the home page.
  
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• craigh
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 06:35 AM

  additional information

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• Slugger
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 07:57 AM

  Yes I know this is being considered. It has been in that analysis mode for quite some time! When will it be time to do something?
  
  There's obviously a lot of wasted space on the navigator page (take "Reviews" for instance...last addition more than a year ago! Security is important and should remain but not so much space is needed, last addition more than 8 months ago) so finding space is not the issue.
  
  There are obviously more commercial products/services finding their way to the community so that side of the equation is there.
  
  I've got to believe that the proliferation of for fee offerings is market driven, so the other side of the equation is there.
  
  So what's to consider? Time to do the deal or get off the filing cabinet (so to speak).
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 09:47 AM

  The main thing we need, and what I raised in the pnCorp forums, is STRICT guidelines for ALL announcements, be they free or comercial, Module, theme, or block. The problem is that even if we define one, it's still on the shoulders of someone to actually read the posts and delete non-conforming submissions. The best thing to do would be a custom submission module to gather the data in a form where we can require certian info. That could then be passed in to the News database. Or Pagesetter could be used.
  
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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 11:12 AM

  With PostNuke .8 we will be able to define input fields with the news module (or it is a concept being considered). This will facilitate a more stringent annoucement policy.
  
  Charging for publication of modules is not really an option. Where would the money go? The site is being hosted for free (thanks to hostnuke), and we are all here as volunteers, who enjoy (mostly anyway) helping out. There would be no sensible way of distributing funds, and it adds complication with payment options etc. Then there would be people getting involved with PN simply for the money
  
  We need better guidlines, and we are working towards them. The pnCorps is somewhat busy at the moment, getting the docs site running for official launch in the New Year (contributions appreciated) as well as continually performing day to day duties on the forums. There is alot to do, and this is a busy time of the year.
  
  Rest assured many things are being considered, but time is always an issue, and when it is not, getting the access to make the changes is the next biggest problem ;)
  
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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 11:17 AM

  HammerHead

  Charging for publication of modules is not really an option. Where would the money go?

  
  
  I can think of one place.... ;)
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 12:02 PM

  markwest

  I can think of one place.... ;)
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 01:33 PM

  How nice of you Mark, yes, the funds can come straight to me :)
  
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• larsneo
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 30, 2003 - 07:19 PM

  /me raises his hand, too
  
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• MMaynard
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 31, 2003 - 04:30 AM

  Why not just have a marker or something in the topic title?
  Like [FREE] [COMMERCIAL] [DONATION] etc?
  So this way when people are browsing through the announcements they will know whether or not they will have to pay for a Block,Module,Theme etc.
  
  I have gotten frustrated more than once when I see a block or module I want and go to the site, wait for the load, find the interest on said site and then find out I have to pay for said interest.
  
  It would simplify things greatly if the title of the announcement had a marker.
  
  Well that's my 2 cents.
  Keep up the great work either way!
  
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• HalbrookTech
  
  

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  Posted: Dec 31, 2003 - 07:02 AM

  My position is that cost should be a required above the fold (i.e. shows on the summary) bit of info for any submission.
  
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• Simon
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 01, 2004 - 03:50 AM

  I am sure that the money could be arranged to reach the button at my site, if it was needed ;).
  
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• Slugger
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 02, 2004 - 01:36 PM

  HammerHead

  Charging for publication of modules is not really an option. Where would the money go? The site is being hosted for free (thanks to hostnuke), and we are all here as volunteers, who enjoy (mostly anyway) helping out. There would be no sensible way of distributing funds, and it adds complication with payment options etc. Then there would be people getting involved with PN simply for the money

  
  
  Hey H-Squared!
  
  Thanks for replying. I appreciate the interest in this because I think it can lead to something positive.
  
  I don't agree that people will be so motivated. I'm involved with several nonprofits and we've distributed millions of dollars to many worth causes. (Library in Mexico, Schools in India, hospitals in the far east, even local stuff like grants to fund various school programs) At the core of these organizations are volunteers--none of us is in for the money.
  
  Developers who leverage the (volunteer) work of people like yourself for their own commercial benefit should be contributing some of that commercial benefit back. I'd contribute to a PostNuke Foundation or some such thing . Why? Cause of people like all of you.
  
  I know Vanessa, Cas Nuy, and others have shown an interest in promoting PN for education. I love it! But that takes money. Yeah it does and it's going to be very difficult to raise if the community is not participating.
  
  There are many organizations, such as the ones that I am involved in that look for an internal contribution before we start writing checks. Sometimes it's as little as 5% but, without that commitment, no funds.
  
  No money raised means no open doors; however, even a little money can access a lot of money. I've seen 5 cents become a dollar and then twenty dollars in the second round.
  
  So money doesn't always corrupt and nothing is too small or insignificant.
  
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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Jan 08, 2004 - 08:21 AM

  Hello Slugger,
  
  Cool idea :( You know what, I did (and doing) enough FREE block, mods, bugfixes for PN, MD, Envo. Now I want to sell my work and you are askind me to pay for ads? I decided to earn some money for bread and you want to take it from me again. You know, on my site, download section I've created Donate block, but downloads was free for everybody. I had more then hundred download of MY mod (FREE mod) and NOBODY, NO ONE give me a penny for MY job. And now, when I found a way to earn small amount of money, I have to pay ??? That is crap. If you need money - work, create something, which can be sold and be happy, but DON'T take my money. I deserve it.
  
  Thank you

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