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  Posted: Apr 23, 2003 - 07:47 PM

  :x It has come to my attention that the "pafiledb" download managment tool that postnuke.com uses to allow downloads of postnuke is violating the gnu agreement pertaning to free software. They tell us not to strip the copyright from the bottom of our sites that say postnuke, but then if you look at the "pafiledb" tool they use for downloads, you see no copyright. The manual says clearly and I quote "paFileDB 3 is free for personal and commercial use, however, you must keep the copyright info on the bottom of the page where it is."
  
  The purpose for this is clear. Its not about getting people to the site and downloading the stuff. Its saying "hey, I like that, and where can I get it from..........I mean after all, it is free right?" So why has postnuke.com refuse to do that? If someone came to my site and liked the way it look but had no idea what postnuke was, there is and always will be a link for them so that they can go and get it. Not from my site, because I didnt create postnuke. But directly from the postnuke site. So postnuke here is your final warning. I and many other fans of the opensource community demand that you place the copyright back at the bottom of your "paFileDB" download section, and do it pronto. Or we'll be forced to ban postnuke, and go to PHP-nuke!
  
  And for those of you who always wondered what type of downloading tool they were using on their site for postnuke--phoenix. This is the link to it.....http://128.242.160.124/pafiledb/index.php! Toodles!

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• markwest
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 23, 2003 - 08:07 PM

  Hopefully infopro or vanessa will add some actual facts later but I felt I needed to add a few of comments here.
  
  1. PN does not insist you keep the copyright notice (phpnuke does).
  
  2. The downloads you are referring to are on HOSTNUKE.COM not postnuke.com. Hostnuke kindly offer us use of several services as well as, i believe, hosting the actual postnuke.com servers.
  
  3. From the advanced services page of the URL you refer too you'll see that it's possible to purchase an option to remove the copyright you refer too.
  
  I don't know for sure that hostnuke.cpm has purchased the removal of this notice but would assume that to be the case.
  
  All of this is my personal take on the matter.
  
  -Mark

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  Posted: Apr 24, 2003 - 03:42 AM

  Well put, Mark.
  
  ..trying to find ou the licensing status of the pafiledb, however I'd tend to agree with you. A copy of the email sent to ashley_v following a news submission of substantially the same form as above, follows:
  
  

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  Dear Ashley_v:
  
  I am writing regarding your concerns that postnuke is in violation of the GNU as alleged below in the story you submitted to postnuke.com. I have declined to publish the story at this time for several reasons. First, I would point out that postnuke.com, the owner of the domain and the staff do not provide a download arena for postnuke. The postnuke.com site is primarily a community site for people using the postnuke software. A link to a free download of postnuke is provided on the postnuke site simply as a service to community members, however the Postnuke project takes no responsibility for legal compliance of any site or domain that is linked on the postnuke site. In this case, your concerns are more appropriately directed to the owner of hostnuke.com which is the domain that provides downloads of postnuke. hostnuke.com is owned and operated by an independent third party who has simply donated resources to the postnuke community.
  
  Having said that, I would also advise you to read the language of the pafiledb license and accompanying info a little more carefully. I'm not sure if you think that a link to the pafiledb is required on the front page of either the postnuke or hostnuke site, but this does not seem to be required, even in the case that the free version is used. This is based on a cursory examination of the licensing requirements, however, if you feel that I have erred on this matter, by all means let me know. I will also point you to additional language that appears on the link at http://128.242.160.124/pafiledb/index.php that you have provided, and draw your attention to the paragraph that says, "paFileDB is free to use on your site for personal or commercial use as long as you do not remove the copyright at the bottom of the script. If you wish to remove the copyright, there is a one-time $50 (US) fee. If you are interested in purchasing copyright removal, please visit our Advanced Services page." Given the amount of time and resources (which costs money for an ISP like hostnuke--I'm sure you realize that they are not using free website space and a residential dsl connection) that the providers of hostnuke have donated to the postnuke community, I would find it extremely difficult to believe that an expenditure of a mere US$50 to remove a copyright agreement from the downloads portion of a site that has dedicated so much to another open source project would be so financially onerous to the owners of the site as to entice them to show blatant contempt for a principle which they so clearly have embraced in action and in spirit.
  
  Finally, if you should decide to take these concerns to the owners of hostnuke, I would encourage you to first do a bit more research, and then if you find that you do indeed have valid concerns (and at this juncture, based on what you've written, you really don't have any basis for assuming that hostnuke has not purchased appropriate licensing), take them to the appropriate person and address these concerns in a professional manner, rather than flinging inflammatory and accusatory allegations that undermine the integrity of a valuable part of the postnuke community, and by extension, the entire postnuke community.
  
  
  
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  Postnuke is in violation of the gnu agreement!
  
  It has come to my attention that the "pafiledb" download managment tool that postnuke.com uses to allow downloads of postnuke is violating the gnu agreement pertaning to free software. They tell us not to strip the copyright from the bottom of our sites that say postnuke, but then if you look at the "pafiledb" tool they use for downloads, you see no copyright. The manual says clearly and I quote "paFileDB 3 is free for personal and commercial use, however, you must keep the copyright info on the bottom of the page where it is."
  
  The purpose for this is clear. Its not about getting people to the site and downloading the stuff. Its saying "hey, I like that, and where can I get it from..........I mean after all, it is free right?" So why has postnuke.com refuse to do that? If someone came to my site and liked the way it look but had no idea what postnuke was, there is and always will be a link for them so that they can go and get it. Not from my site, because I didnt create postnuke. But directly from the postnuke site. So postnuke here is your final warning. I and many other fans of the opensource community demand that you place the copyright back at the bottom of your "paFileDB" download section, and do it pronto. Or we'll be forced to ban postnuke, and go to PHP-nuke! And for those of you who always wondered what type of downloading tool they were using on their site for postnuke--phoenix. This is the link to it.....http://128.242.160.124/pafiledb/index.php! Toodles!

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  Posted: Apr 24, 2003 - 04:09 AM

  ashley_v

  Or we'll be forced to ban postnuke, and go to PHP-nuke!
  

  
  
  Nice way to get somebody to do something. Also do you have a link to your site so we can check up on you?
  
  Thanks,
  Brandon

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 24, 2003 - 04:26 AM

  Hello ashley_v. Who are you? Sorry, but I do not recognize the name. Are you affiliated with pafiledb in some way? Are you the author? If yes, don't you keep records of who pays to remove the copyright? Please check to see if HOSTNUKE is indeed on that list. If so, this is a moot topic, and it sounds like you've just gotten up on the wrong side of the bed.
  
  If they are NOT on that list, then HOSTNUKE is who you must take this up with. Wouldn't you agree?
  If you or the person who made you aware of this recently had been as aware of the URL that that pafiledb page is on, as they were about the copyright not being on it, we might not even have had you give us a final warning.
  BTW, where was the first or second warning anyway? ;)
  
  
  I can assure you this, POSTNUKE would not do something like this purposely. POSTNUKE will have this taken care of as soon as possible one way or the other.
  If you are indeed the author of this software, you should NOT be coming here and posting our "final warning" if anything, you should be thanking POSTNUKE for using this software that is clearly named in the URL
  http://download.hostnuke.com/pafiledb.php
  and giving pafiledb the exposure its getting right now.
  
  POSTNUKE and the additional files listed there have been downloaded over 25,000 times.
  
  You look into it at your end, we will look into it on our end. ;)

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• **unknown user**
  
  

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  Posted: Apr 24, 2003 - 07:16 AM

  I can now confirm that the fee was indeed paid for this to the appropriate parties involved and this is most definately http://hostnuke.net 's concern not PostNukes.
  If you have any further issues with this, please contact them directly.
  This thread is closed.

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