• darklord [17]
  
  

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  [18] Posted: 07.03.2003, 17:35

  hi,
  
  has anyone got any examples of where postnuke has been used in an elearing environment? i.e to teach a course?
  
  cheers
  
  steve

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• matz [22]
  
  

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  [23] Posted: 07.03.2003, 18:35

  hello darklord,
  
  

  darklord

  hi,
  
  has anyone got any examples of where postnuke has been used in an elearing environment? i.e to teach a course?
  cheers
  steve

  
  
  hello
  
  just ran across your posting here:
  
  
  a few weeks ago jerseyralph announced on PostNuke a
  http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2238&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0
  
  see also Distance Learning Projects http://news.postnuke.com/modules.php?op=modload&name=News&file=article&sid=2238&mode=thread&order=0&thold=0 - distance-Learning-Project .
  
  Vanessa, a PN-Core-developer, with lots of
  experience in the field of Distance-Education now collects the ideas
  in a article http://www.distance-educator.com/postnuke/?name=News&file=article&sid=3
  
  integrated distributed learning system. Feel free to add your suggestions to Vanessas here
  
  http://www.distance-educator.com/postnuke/?name=News&file=article&sid=3 ... integrated distributed learning system - article
  
  see also the Evaluationstools like "http://phpesp.sourceforge.net/demo/ recently portet over to postnuke as pnESP!
  
  finally see here - http://tecfaseed.unige.ch/door
  a site from uni genefe .... contact vivian there for more infos!
  
  
  last but not least - if you are interested contact vanessa on distance-educator.com - she
  is coordinating all efforts in the educational field!
  
  
  regards martin

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• grendelshitsuren [27]
  
  

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  [28] Posted: 04.04.2003, 10:52

  Hi there,
  I wonder what´s going on right now. Vanessa´s page is a little bit deserted and I was unable to find any real eLearning module so far. It seems like there are a few splintergroups, no cooperation, no end-product usable. At least not in the nuke sphere. I took a look at moodle, which is very promising, but that would have to be ported first...
  best regards,
  
  Grendel S.

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• matz [32]
  
  

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  [33] Posted: 04.04.2003, 13:04

  some new efforts were shown at the new PN-operational site: http://noc.postnuke.com :
  
  see there
  
  Educational PostNuke Modules: Call for Help! ( hosted by vworld - 2003-02-19 04:26 )
  
  - pnSyllabus: The first module is called pnSyllabus and is the first of many modules that should be developed for the educational community. Some future modules that have been suggested include, pnGradebook, pnFlashcards and (fill in the blank with modules you might need )
  
  
  - see also the pnESP module which is hosted at http://noc.postnuke.com and on http://pnESP.Sourceforge.net
  
  - perhaps we need a new article on http://news.postnuke.com to coordinate and concentrate the efforts which are scattered in the whole nuke-world.
  
  The moodle devloper has done some improvements towards a postnuke-integration. As far as i know there are some talks to a assimilation / integration process. See (and search) the http://tecfaseed.unige.ch/door
  site for more infos.
  
  - martin

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• grendelshitsuren [37]
  
  

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  [38] Posted: 04.04.2003, 13:26

  Hi Martin,
  danke schoen. I was looking at the NOC [39], but i.e. pnSyllabus has 0 activity, Vanessa´s eMailaddress there is not even valid, so I guess the project is dead (although I´m waiting for a reply, hope there´s something going to happen in the future, she´s active in other fields AFAIK).
  
  I´ve been on the TECFA page today, a few nice links, there´s one article about moodle, but nothing about work on intergrating the software into a nuke environment. I wrote an eMail to the dev to see what his plans are.
  
  The pnESP module is a survey module with a few additional features, which, to be honest, can only be one part (of many) of an eLearning module or suite? ...but perhaps it should be defined first what is eLearning and what isn´t? The closest and best I found was this
  
  http://www.distance-educator.com/postnuke/?name=News&file=article&sid=3
  
  still an outline, but at least there´s a plan to start with
  
  There´s a quiz module over at w3schools, which is similar, but I´d say the closest to eLearning right now is moodle.
  
  bye
  
  Grendel S.

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• moodler [43]
  
  

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  [44] Posted: 04.04.2003, 15:43

  Hi,
  
  I'm the main developer of Moodle (and I'm here because the previous poster told me about this thread).
  
  I'm not aware of any "porting" of Moodle to PostNuke, and I'm not even sure that is possible. I see Moodle as a "standalone product", with which I can experiment to create the best environment for e-learning that I can. I do not particularly want to be bound by any of the Nuke code. However, if someone else can see promising areas of development then I am always open to collaborating with other programmers to add features and improve Moodle's tech-friendliness.
  
  Currently, Moodle's authentication engine does provide support for Nuke (among many other methods such as LDAP, POP, IMAP etc) which allows a Moodle installation to re-use your existing Nuke usernames/passwords (and other info if required).
  
  I know of at least one person who has used this together with Postwrap to make Moodle appear to be a Nuke module. Some recent changes in CVS have further improved Moodle's handling in this situation (it now has awareness of an enclosing frame and so won't "break out" of it.).
  
  Cheers,
  Martin

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• markwest [48]
  
  

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  [49] Posted: 05.04.2003, 00:11

  moodler

  Hi,
  
  I'm the main developer of Moodle (and I'm here because the previous poster told me about this thread).
  
  I'm not aware of any "porting" of Moodle to PostNuke, and I'm not even sure that is possible. I see Moodle as a "standalone product", with which I can experiment to create the best environment for e-learning that I can. I do not particularly want to be bound by any of the Nuke code. However, if someone else can see promising areas of development then I am always open to collaborating with other programmers to add features and improve Moodle's tech-friendliness.
  
  Currently, Moodle's authentication engine does provide support for Nuke (among many other methods such as LDAP, POP, IMAP etc) which allows a Moodle installation to re-use your existing Nuke usernames/passwords (and other info if required).
  
  I know of at least one person who has used this together with Postwrap to make Moodle appear to be a Nuke module. Some recent changes in CVS have further improved Moodle's handling in this situation (it now has awareness of an enclosing frame and so won't "break out" of it.).
  
  Cheers,
  Martin

  
  
  Martin,
  
  Thanks for your comments here. I hope this will help end users. A lot of people talk about integration of XYZ product with XYZ product without really understand in the whys and wherefors of that aim.
  
  I see authentication technoligies as the key to delivery of services across multiple projects.
  
  Project like the liberty project [50] are key to delivering these services.
  
  As an employee in a UK univeristy I see the usage of these larger scale projects and see the future for cooperation between projects but this will be by supporting key internet standards (e.g. LDAP etc.)
  
  -Mark

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• grendelshitsuren [54]
  
  

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  [55] Posted: 05.04.2003, 11:49

  Hi there,
  I have the impression like several people are working with a similar or at least comparable aim. In the end, everybody is trying to get a piece of software coded that in one or the other way helps with creating an eLearning platform or parts of it.
  Dave Pratt from webcoursesnow.com seems to be working on several modules as well, I accidently noticed it at
  http://noc.postnuke.com/docman/view.php/5/13/PostNuke%20Module%20Registry.ht
  
  I´m still trying to oversee who´s doing what and whether the wheel is reinvented over and over
  
  About moodle, I don´t think it would be good to bound any project to another, but make them work together by postwrap or compatible authentification methods, as it´s mentioned in the previous postings. The main reason why developement pays off in that direction is IMHO that postnuke/CMS in general offers the community structure, moodle for example the eLearning structure, it´s two complementary products.
  
  About LDAP, AFAIK Xaraya supports it already.
  http://lists.xaraya.com/pipermail/xaraya_public-dev/2003-January/thread.html#1807
  
  Moodler, do you know the user who has experience of using PN with moodle?
  
  best regards,
  
  Grendel S.

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  [60] Posted: 05.04.2003, 13:28

  grendelshitsuren

  
  Moodler, do you know the user who has experience of using PN with moodle?
  

  
  
  I'd better not post his name and email all over the web :P , but you can do a search for "postwrap" in the "Using Moodle" course on http://moodle.org [61], by following this link: http://moodle.org/mo…earch=postwrap&id=5 [62]
  
  You'll need to register on the site, though.
  
  I'll also email him myself and tell him about this thread - maybe he'll want to post here.
  
  Cheers,
  Martin

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• Philipp1 [66]
  
  

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  [67] Posted: 09.04.2003, 06:16

  Hello,
  
  this week I received an e-mail concerning my project pnAcademy and this thread.
  I started my project in February. It's about developing a complete system for small university of sciences. We've already a timetable module which is based on our timetable-planning-software. Maybe it can be extended.
  An evaluation tool for quality management is nearly ready. My assistant and I are currently building the center-structure for administrating students, lecturers and courses.
  Is that, what you are searching for?
  
  Mail me, if you are interested.
  Philipp (pnacademy@jphalle.de [68])

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  [73] Posted: 09.04.2003, 09:04

  Hi,
  I'm from Italy and I used PN for distance education in the last 2 years. It works well even if we need some extra-modules.
  In the Ca' Foscari University we run a post lauream master in italian as second language and italian as a foreign language completely online and we use PN 7.1.4
  With my staff we spoke a lot of times about creating new modules but we think that what we need is a sort of hack of the core structure. We need a different control over the students work, registration, etc. We need some other special issues too: tutor control, special permissions, and above all the possibility to create virtual classes, virtual rooms, etc.
  I'm not an expert programmer, but I'm an expert of online communication and usability in educational sites.
  I think we could create a group of study/work speaking about our projects, needs and trying to design something like a PNSchool.
  If someone is interested in collaboration and cooperation we can try to organize ourselves and speak with the NOC [74] team.
  What do you think?
  Bye
  Filippo

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• darklord [78]
  
  

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  [79] Posted: 15.04.2003, 12:31

  Hi!
  
  I wouldbe interested in this project as I aim to build a CMS myself to use as an online training manual with many of the features that you have described.
  
  May i ask what modules you are using to teach your courses?
  
  kind regards
  
  steve beales

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  [84] Posted: 15.04.2003, 15:16

  Of coure you can ask about the modules i'm using.
  I use:
  
  - almost all the modules in the PN core (download, link, user registration, etc.);
  
  - EZCMS for the modules and all the papers we've to write for students. In this way I can use the internal search engine.
  
  - PNphpBB2 [85] forum (I prefer the W-Agora one, but it is not realized as a PN module and it is very hard to convert);
  
  - UpDownload module for the knowledge sharing (people can reade and comment their mates works);
  
  - Webchat for the synchronous communication;
  
  - EnvoBuddy for the instant messagge service;
  
  - PostCalendar;
  
  - Database that I use as a class diary;
  
  - in the language courses I use Internet radio and Internet tv too;
  
  - in other courses I used Content Express and let users to create web pages;
  
  Now I'm trying pnGroups [86] to create virtual classes.
  Maybe this is the biggest probelm with PN: you can't create different virtual classes. Then I want to hack the user page. I think that it would be more usefull if it shows other informations like user assignments, calendar, courses, votes, etc.
  
  Filippo

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  [91] Posted: 15.04.2003, 23:52

  Has anyone checked out claroline?
  
  http://www.claroline.net

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  [96] Posted: 16.04.2003, 02:01

  filippo et al,
  
  Doesn't that sound academic, hehe.
  
  I would definatly be interested in forming a group to discuss/develop e-learning environments. Personally I am working on developing a resource site to help teachers (k12) learn to use postnuke and similar webware. I have seen edunuke and was happy to see such a site, but want to create something that is specific to k12 education. At this moment my interests lie more on the side of delivering content, activities, and student interaction, rather than true distance learning solutions. But obviously these are not apples and oranges. Maybe we can revive edunuke (if it still lives) as a central meeting point and branch out from there according to special interest.
  
  I actually came to use phpnuke-then postnuke after creating several websites for school. postnuke cuts the development time by 90%- can you imagine how long it takes develop an online lesson without the backend of postnuke, I can-hehe. Anyway, I am not a coder, but I sure learned a lot about PHP trying to get PHP-nuke to work (version 3.4-5 i think). Man that was a pain in the ass- took me two weeks to figure that bugger out! I actually took my first online coarse recently through barnes and noble university, an intro to computer programming (great course for those fuzzy about what goes on behind the scenes, and its free). Anyway I am sure we all understand the potential of this code and others for education or we would't be posting here. But we definatly need an active community to realize this potential!
  
  To that end I would love to here from other k12 teachers- novice or expert interested in colaborating on a k12 resource portal. Please post here or email me at ednet@elementum.org. I am currently working on a custom theme for my portal-expect to finish it soon and to start work on content and resources! Summer is comming! hurray!
  
  Cheers from Northern New Mexico- David :D

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