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  [19] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 01:01 AM

  Hi.
  Not sure if this the right forum, but does anybody know when Postnuke 0.8 will be released?
  
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  [24] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 01:23 AM

  No specific release date yet but the next milestone (MS2) is now fairly close as we're close to completing all of the requirements for this release. See the .8x development cycle [25] Wiki [26] page for more info.
  
  You can also try it out for yourself using a SVN snapshot [27] or take a look at a current demo [28].
  
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  [34] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 03:09 AM

  Ok, I will definitely have a look at it. Are we talking several months before a final release can be done?
  /Mats

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  [39] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 03:20 AM

  That seems like a reasonable estimate at this stage.
  
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  [45] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 01:27 PM

  I think it's high time to move to another CMS. I'm waiting for .8 at least 3 years.
  
  And again I/we got new promises. But - althought old postnuke.com is gone - I remember full story of your promises. Just few examples (I will use only those >2 years old)?
  1. Release announcement of 0.75: 25 march 2004 - (http://news.postnuke.com/Article2573.html [46]):
  "The purpose of this release is to finish off the .7x series of PostNuke. Since the release of .726, there have been many enhancements made to the existing .7x PostNuke development, and the decision has been taken to provide these enhancements in a final release before PostNuke .8." .
  2. 2 weeks before 0.75 was released on 11 march 2004 "Postnuke .8 - A Preview" (http://news.postnuke.com/Article2565.html [47]): "The ultimate question remains unanswered: When will .8 be released? pnCore-Team manager Larsneo expects a milestone release in 6-8 weeks. That release will definitely not be ready for productive use and will not feature any update routines. Nevertheless it will enable module developers to test the functionality of they modules under the new enviroment before a first release candidate is ready. ".
  3. My favourite: 8 June 2003 in article "PostNuke Is Alive and Well" - (http://news.postnuke.com/Article2428.html [48]): "we are working very hard on getting the .8 release out by the end of summer"
  
  In the article "Never ending development - PN .8" on polish support site (http://www.post-nuke…ile=article&sid=963 [49]) I suggested that maybe you plan to deliver 0.8 on third anniversary of Adam Baum death - 16 June 2005. Now it looks to be more likely 16 June 2007. Or maybe 2010.
  
  Do you really plan to deliver 0.8 ever? Shall we take your promises seriously?
  

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  [53] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 06:30 PM

  Over time, i've seen a lot of these posts and I started a little mental list titled "What's the rush?" .. here we go:
  
  1) I've got a hot date and I want to show off my CMS
  2) I haven't had a date in months/years and have not a f*cking better thing to do with my time than piss and moan for faster free sh*t
  3) I have a baboon's heart and very little time to live.
  4) I'm addicted to "new".
  5) I can't wait to find out how many modules won't work with it.
  6) I'm agoraphobic and my TV is broken
  7) My cat pees in my shoe every day that .8 is delayed
  8) .762 makes me hum the theme to the A-Team while my eyebrow twitches
  9) I've printed all of the code to use as napkins and I'm almost out.
  10) Badgers.

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  [57] Posted: Aug 14, 2006 - 06:49 PM

  I have been to the pnMeeting last weekend and could experience several core developers for the first time, and my already longlasting trust into pn.8 development (I'm using PN since the end of 2001 and have experienced all excuses first hand) was deeply strengthened. I think the feature-set that was planned for .8 in 2001-2003 is already surpassed by far by the current version.762 .
  
  Just last year several really big concepts that didn't exist before were added to the .8 feature plan. There was no Ajax in 2003 and now it is already implemented with core support in .8. Also last year the object persistence layer (DBUtil) and component architecture was added to .8 which changes the way modules can be created to something in the style of ruby-on-rails. That is something that to my knowledge no other comparable open source PHP content management system is able to offer.
  
  The german PN foundation is also quite well equipped monetarily and might be able to sponsor development to some extend in the future.
  
  These are some of the reasons why I believe that we have chosen the right system to use and code for and that it will not die anytime soon but quite contrarily will really take off once the .8 benefits become visible to the admins and developers while other CMS systems are still buried in security issues [58] and are just starting to think about changing their underlying structure.

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  [62] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 12:13 AM

  Hey InvalidResponse,
  Do I understand you are one of the members of project team?
  It's very hard and tough to say: we made clasical mistake in project management - scope has to be froozen at certain moment. But we forgot and we have continous development last 3 years with misleading announcements.
  
  It's better to say: all people who are asking are stupid. Great.
  
  SzybkiStefan
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  (one of those who still hopes that PN will be delivered ever, others already moved to another CMSes)
  
  PS. By the way: I didn't wrote "My cat pees in my shoe every day that .8 is delayed". My post is only a set of lies from project team from taken from official announcements.
  
  
  
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  [67] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 12:45 AM

  I think it's a bit harsh to call previous statements 'lies'. Each statement was made in good faith at the time. Yes those statements may have been since proved wrong and mis-judged but no one was trying to mislead anyone and certainly not lie.
  
  Everyone involved in the development team severely underestimated the amount of work that was needed to bring the postnuke codebase up to a reasonable standard. During the time that work has been going on large chunks of that code has been released in the form of .750 and .760.
  
  In reality, and hindsight, the version numbers should have been re-worked so that the .7x -> .8x jump was not as big as it has been. However hindsight is a wonderful thing - 20/20 in its clarity.
  
  But the code that is there now is shaping up nicely and is starting to look like a really good, solid product.
  
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  [73] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 01:17 AM

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  Hey InvalidResponse,
  Do I understand you are one of the members of project team?
  

  
  no, i'm not.
  
  

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  It's very hard and tough to say: we made clasical mistake in project management - scope has to be froozen at certain moment. But we forgot and we have continous development last 3 years with misleading announcements.
  

  
  I suppose so.. I've been "waiting" just as long.. I just don't share the level of "anticipation".. if that's what we're going to call it. the list is a joke, a hypothetical list of why users get so bent out of shape about release schedules.
  
  these kinds of posts do nothing for their moral or motivation mind you.. I imagine on their side of the fence it builds a certain amount of disdain for the community they support.. I imagine a lot though

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  [77] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 01:24 AM

  markwest

  I think it's a bit harsh to call previous statements 'lies'.

  
  Sorry for "lies" - is was caused by my poor English.
  
  But comming back to the topic: you (come wrore about it too) suggested that maybe versions can be re-numbered. It's OK. I'd like to make it clear - it is not so important for me: whether version will be called 0.8 or 2006. I would like to ask about the future of PN.
  
  I designed quite big cooperation module for genealogists. I made it 2 years ago. But I got infomation that .8 with new API will come soon. And I was waiting. What do you suggest: what shall I do now? Wait another half a year (will it be half a year?) or rather choose another solution?
  

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  [82] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 02:51 AM

  Thanks for clarifying the use of english - I know it's difficult to post on a forum in your non-native language. You're doing far better than I could in any other language.
  
  The future of PN, at least from my perspective, is bright - the .8x codebase is now at the point where we can be confident that a release will happen soon. As indicated earlier i'd put the release 'several months' away. The codebase meets all of the modern current standards and guidelines (XHTML strict, CSS, wcag etc.) and makes use of all the appropriate technoligies (e.g. Ajax)
  
  As to what you should do... I can't make that decision for you but in your position i'd be tempted to look at .8 Milestone 2 once released as an indicator of what PN .8x will be like when it reaches it final release state and then make your decision from there.
  
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  [88] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 03:37 AM

  I have no doubt that new version will be great and much better then all existing CMS. But, comming back to original topic of our discussion - the only thing is how much time we/I need to wait for it.

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  [93] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 03:54 AM

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  I designed quite big cooperation module for genealogists. I made it 2 years ago. But I got infomation that .8 with new API will come soon. What do you suggest: what shall I do now? Wait another half a year (will it be half a year?) or rather choose another solution?

  
  I can only seconds Mark's comments. Before abandoning PN, check out the state it's currently in (preferrably after MS2). It offers you as a module author *lots* of interesting features which are designed to make your life easier (and will allow you to do support more features with less code).
  
  For some info on this, check out the Wiki [94], specifically http://community.pos…com/Wiki-DbUtil.htm [95] ... this approach allowed us to save 40% of the code of the Quotes module while adding more features.
  
  Greetings
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  [100] Posted: Aug 15, 2006 - 03:54 AM

  SzybkiStefanPL

  I have no doubt that new version will be great and much better then all existing CMS. But, comming back to original topic of our discussion - the only thing is how much time we/I need to wait for it.

  
  
  With regard to timescales see my reply to this earlier comment
  
  

  MatsEu

  Are we talking several months before a final release can be done?
  /Mats

  
  
  

  markwest

  That seems like a reasonable estimate at this stage.
  -Mark

  
  
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